My report

Live forum: http://forum.freeipodguide.com/viewtopic.php?t=14696

CoMpFrEaK

19-05-2005 20:57:26

Ok just wrote that, didnt proof read, its basically my first draft, not ready to present it yet, but anyways this can be a reference tool for u n00bs. And quit bitching about dvrs, cause it says in this report why its closed. ®compfreak

Philosophy behind free Ipods

Many people have seen pop-ups asking you to sign up so you can receive a free item such as an ipod or even a computer. Most people are skeptical of these things, and who can blame them, I would be to. I am here to analyze how and why free sites exist, I am not here to prove whether sites are legit or not.

I have selected to use freeipods.com as an example due to its enormous popularity. Freeipods requires you to sign up, complete an offer, then refer 5 friends to sign up under you and complete an offer. This may sound too good to be true, but it actually works. For the next segment of this document we are going to review how and why the sites do this.

So the offer you choose to do typically pay anywhere from 20-30 when they get a sign up. So lets look at this from an easy perspective, in total there would be six people doing an offer. You, and 5 friends. Now if you were to do the math you would realize that having only 6 offers being done does NOT add up to $300 (Ipod retail value). Those 6 offers roughly equal to be around $150, which is only enough for ½ of an Ipod. How can this be? Well this aspect will be explained a bit later.

This is a basic diagram that’s shows the cycle that happens when you attempt for a free ipod.

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As you can see in the diagram by signing up for an offer provides profit for the company in which the company uses to pay Freeipods and then Freeipods provides you with your gift. Though there are a few flaws to this, one which was previously addressed on top.

Another aspect that needs to be taken into consideration is if someone decides to cancel the trial offer. Most of these trial offers are free or at most a few dollars, they are hoping that you either forget to cancel or like the service and become a long term customer. So if someone does decide to cancel then the line between “you” and the “company” no longer exists, which in the end would mean the company loses money. (Another reason why these sites will be no more in the future)

The question “how can this be free, and how do these companies (Freeipods) make money” has been asked many times. The fact being is that if they give you a ipod they lose money. By having only 6 offers done simply does not add up to the Ipods MSRP. These companies remain profitable for the following reasons

1. People getting placed on hold for attempting to fraud the system
2. People not finishing the site
3. It’s a pyramid scheme, so they will win in the end, cause there are not enough new people to sign up, while many people have signed up but can’t finish due to the lack of interested people.

The main reason is #2 though. The idea of referring 5 people may sound simplistic but in reality it isn’t. I’ve personally done it and it was not an easy process. Some people may find 2-4 people and quit, which would basically be free money for the company. This is the primary reason why companies such as Gratis (Freeipods) are able to exist. This can also explain why DVRs4free (Ran by Offer Centric #2 ranked) shut down recently. These companies want to find members that attempt the site but are unable to complete it. They are not interested in members finishing the sites, cause as stated above they lose money for every gift they send out. DVRs4free was never an appealing site to new members, I mean how many people are really interested in a free digital video recorder, none? The only people attempting this site were people who wanted the extra cash and knew they were going to finish the site. This was the primary reason why Offer Centric decided to shut down DVRs4free without an early notification to its members. Though in the long run it will save Offer Centric an enormous amount of money.

Basically these sites exist in hopes of earning money from people who are not able to finish the site. Lets face it; these companies hate to give out gifts but must in order to have a good reputation. These sites will remain in business as long as there are new people signing up. The static currently rests at around 30% of the people actually finishing the site. So by having 70% of the people roughly ½ finish would mean a tremendous amount of revenue for them. (As seen in Gratis’s last revenue report)

liquidskin

19-05-2005 21:04:57

nicely done.

I did a presentation in my marketing class on Gratis... PM me if you want my transparencies.

slease

19-05-2005 21:06:58

Good summary, I agree 100%.

I think if OfferCentric was smart they would remove the cashout feature from their website, that extra encouragement is what makes people finish sites like notebooks4free. They would be better off taking the paypal option out and beginning a more agressive advertising campaign to get people to do the site who aren't as likely to finish it.

mr0x

19-05-2005 21:16:12

I think I have another point to add here. The delay betweeen when the free site gets paid and when the person gets the gift.

Suppose you sign up and get 5 people to sign up for freeipods.com. You generate $150 or so in revenue for the site from you and your refs offers. The site gets paid and after a while they send the gift to you.

However, at that point of them sending the gift to you, they have now made $150 li 5 as your referrals' referrals complete the site. So, when sending you a $300 item, they've made $750 from your refs' refs.

Is that a valid point?

slease

19-05-2005 21:18:04

[quote9eb803f088="mr0x"]I think I have another point to add here. The delay betweeen when the free site gets paid and when the person gets the gift.

Suppose you sign up and get 5 people to sign up for freeipods.com. You generate $150 or so in revenue for the site from you and your refs offers. The site gets paid and after a while they send the gift to you.

However, at that point of them sending the gift to you, they have now made $150 li 5 as your referrals' referrals complete the site. So, when sending you a $300 item, they've made $750 from your refs' refs.

Is that a valid point?[/quote9eb803f088]

Sounds valid. Also, if that happens, sooner or later they can just shut the site down and walk away with a ton of money.

mr0x

19-05-2005 21:24:01

[quote56328cd554="slease"][quote56328cd554="mr0x"]I think I have another point to add here. The delay betweeen when the free site gets paid and when the person gets the gift.

Suppose you sign up and get 5 people to sign up for freeipods.com. You generate $150 or so in revenue for the site from you and your refs offers. The site gets paid and after a while they send the gift to you.

However, at that point of them sending the gift to you, they have now made $150 li 5 as your referrals' referrals complete the site. So, when sending you a $300 item, they've made $750 from your refs' refs.

Is that a valid point?[/quote56328cd554]

Sounds valid. Also, if that happens, sooner or later they can just shut the site down and walk away with a ton of money.[/quote56328cd554]

But, if they wait 1 more cycle, then they could double the money )

CoMpFrEaK

19-05-2005 21:24:43

[quotecb58bc681f="mr0x"]I think I have another point to add here. The delay betweeen when the free site gets paid and when the person gets the gift.

Suppose you sign up and get 5 people to sign up for freeipods.com. You generate $150 or so in revenue for the site from you and your refs offers. The site gets paid and after a while they send the gift to you.

However, at that point of them sending the gift to you, they have now made $150 li 5 as your referrals' referrals complete the site. So, when sending you a $300 item, they've made $750 from your refs' refs.

Is that a valid point?[/quotecb58bc681f]

Its a bit confusing. You must also take into consideration how many offers are done before people give up. There factors vary from person to person. My report addressed it on a general basis, and provides enough information for the individual to pursue the calculation if needed.

CoMpFrEaK

19-05-2005 21:26:32

[quotee3ca98f7ac="mr0x"]I think I have another point to add here. The delay betweeen when the free site gets paid and when the person gets the gift.

Suppose you sign up and get 5 people to sign up for freeipods.com. You generate $150 or so in revenue for the site from you and your refs offers. The site gets paid and after a while they send the gift to you.

However, at that point of them sending the gift to you, they have now made $150 li 5 as your referrals' referrals complete the site. So, when sending you a $300 item, they've made $750 from your refs' refs.

Is that a valid point?[/quotee3ca98f7ac]

Actually no, if you multiple it by 5 then it means they have to give out 5 more ipods. Cause your friends would have also completed the site.
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So basically it goes back to my 3 main points, thats how they earn money.

sweeedfish

19-05-2005 21:28:56

[quote11bc37e991="liquidskin"]nicely done.

I did a presentation in my marketing class on Gratis... PM me if you want my transparencies.[/quote11bc37e991]

Actually I did a presentation, and I gave you what I did. BITCH

EatChex89

19-05-2005 21:34:17

no one cares.

at least make the graphics look pertty.

CoMpFrEaK

19-05-2005 21:36:37

[quote2cb6c6bea0="EatChex89"]no one cares.

at least make the graphics look pertty.[/quote2cb6c6bea0]

shut it "loser"

mr0x

19-05-2005 21:37:04

[quote66a90ccef8="CoMpFrEaK"][quote66a90ccef8="mr0x"]I think I have another point to add here. The delay betweeen when the free site gets paid and when the person gets the gift.

Suppose you sign up and get 5 people to sign up for freeipods.com. You generate $150 or so in revenue for the site from you and your refs offers. The site gets paid and after a while they send the gift to you.

However, at that point of them sending the gift to you, they have now made $150 li 5 as your referrals' referrals complete the site. So, when sending you a $300 item, they've made $750 from your refs' refs.

Is that a valid point?[/quote66a90ccef8]

Actually no, if you multiple it by 5 then it means they have to give out 5 more ipods. Cause your friends would have also completed the site.
http/" alt=""/img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/compfreak999/untitled222.jpg[/img66a90ccef8]

So basically it goes back to my 3 main points, thats how they earn money.[/quote66a90ccef8]

My point here was the delay between when you get your ipod and when the site gets paid.

When you get your ipod, they've already made money from yours refs and your refs' refs. By the time they ship out ipods for your refs, then they'd have made money from the refs' ref's refs and so on.

So, at any current point in time, even if everyone completes, they have more money than they are sending out as gifts.

CoMpFrEaK

19-05-2005 21:38:03

Its a minor delay, but neitherless they still have to pay out the amount. So its not much of a factor.

EatChex89

19-05-2005 21:40:59

[quoteb26a305e53="CoMpFrEaK"][quoteb26a305e53="EatChex89"]no one cares.

at least make the graphics look pertty.[/quoteb26a305e53]

shut it "loser"[/quoteb26a305e53]

its boring. all i did was look at the pictures (i'm a picture book person, lol) and it didn't tell me enough, so i was lost ;-)

plus. it was black and white. i dont like black and white movies.

CoMpFrEaK

19-05-2005 21:44:55

Chexy check my new post on your topic ;-)
Chexy hahah reply bastard!
Chexy -D
Chexy lets get a flame goin
Compfreak loooossseer
Chexy dude im bored
Compfreak yea u are
Chexy lol
Chexy aw dude. humor me
Chexy reply

Told you eatchex was a loser

EatChex89

19-05-2005 21:47:39

[quoted1752bcabc="CoMpFrEaK"]Chexy check my new post on your topic ;-)
Chexy hahah reply bastard!
Chexy -D
Chexy lets get a flame goin
Compfreak loooossseer
Chexy dude im bored
Compfreak yea u are
Chexy lol
Chexy aw dude. humor me
Chexy reply

Told you eatchex was a loser[/quoted1752bcabc]


ahahahahahahaha!!!!!!! thanks man.

i cracked up so hard, you don't even know. D

FreeOffersNow

20-05-2005 00:03:24

Look at you fools bickering....Management major here with concentration in Marketing ) ----> Too bad I'm too lazy to type out what is [i6c33926aa9]really[/i6c33926aa9] going pn evil