Part 2: Recreational Marijuana

Do you think marijuana should be legalized under these grounds?

- Taxed by the Government (same as that of Alcohol)

- Available only to persons 21 years of age or older

- Require ID to persons who appear under the age of 30

- Triple Penalty (based on Alcohol to Minors) to those selling or giving marijuana to a minor with a mandatory minimum incarceration (may vary by state laws)

- Triple Penalty to those caught DUI of marijuana

I honestly believe with laws like this in place.. Marijuana could be legalized.. If only the federal government saw it the same way that I do.

But then again, the Federal government doesn't come on FreeiPodGuide.com and get Free Items. Bottom line, marijuana is never going to be legal, and the only way if it did become legal and that I could personally justify for it would be for medicinal purposes only. You'd have a select few, maybe many idiots who go out, smoke on the weekends, become seriously ill, or die, then lawsuits come about against the provider of the drug, and it's just one giant fiasco. Stop dreaming )

[quote7ddbfea4a8]the Federal government doesn't come on FreeiPodGuide.com and get Free Items.[/quote7ddbfea4a8]

Did I ever say the feds would come on FreeiPodGuide? This topic was merely for opinions.

[quote7ddbfea4a8]Bottom line, marijuana is never going to be legal, and the only way if it did become legal and that I could personally justify for it would be for medicinal purposes only.[/quote7ddbfea4a8]

Actually, you are dead wrong.. Alaska is currently the only state in the Union where marijuana is legal (from a technical standpoint)

From NORML.org, http//norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4522[]http//norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4522

[quote7ddbfea4a8]Less than 4 oz in your residence or home - no penalty[/quote7ddbfea4a8]

[quote7ddbfea4a8]Possession of less than 25 plants is protected under the Alaska Constitution’s right to privacy (See Ravin v. Alaska). Possession of 25 or more marijuana plants is “Misconduct involving a controlled substance in the fourth degree” and is punishable by a fine of up to $50,000 or five years in prison.[/quote7ddbfea4a8]

[quote7ddbfea4a8]Medical marijuana This state has medical marijuana laws enacted. Modern research suggests that cannabis is a valuable aid in the treatment of a wide range of clinical applications. These include pain relief, nausea, spasticity, glaucoma, and movement disorders. Marijuana is also a powerful appetite stimulant and emerging research suggests that marijuana's medicinal properties may protect the body against some types of malignant tumors, and are neuroprotective.[/quote7ddbfea4a8]

[quote7ddbfea4a8]Decriminalization The state has decriminalized marijuana to some degree. Typically, decriminalization means no prison time or criminal record for first-time possession of a small amount for personal consumption. The conduct is treated like a minor traffic violation.[/quote7ddbfea4a8]

Decriminalization is only treated in cases where you possess over 4 ounces and under 8 ounces in your residence or home, otherwise its LEGAL.

[quote7ddbfea4a8]Less than 8 oz - misdemeanor - 90 days - $1,000[/quote7ddbfea4a8]

So in Alaska, you can possess 4 ounces (1/4 lb) or less of dried, cured marijuana in your home [b7ddbfea4a8]legally[/b7ddbfea4a8] and 24 or less plants in your home [b7ddbfea4a8]legally[/b7ddbfea4a8]

Its all about state rights vs. federal government.. But as long as you got the greens on your home (or at a friends house), its perfectly legal (...only in Alaska).

[quote7ddbfea4a8]You'd have a select few, maybe many idiots who go out, smoke on the weekends, become seriously ill, or die, then lawsuits come about against the provider of the drug, and it's just one giant fiasco.[/quote7ddbfea4a8]

People get high on Xanax, Diazepam, Vicodin, Valium and other powerful pharmaceuticals.. People have overdosed on pharmaceuticals numerous times or caused harm to themselves or others as well.. You CANNOT
overdose on Marijuana.. Its physically IMPOSSIBLE.

[quote7ddbfea4a8]In all of medical history, there is no record of death from an overdose of cannabis.([4]) Even extrapolating from the most alarmist toxicity data in rats, produced by Gabriel Nahas, a scientist who has devoted his life to proving that cannabis is deadly,([5]) a 175-pound person would have to ingest about 10 grams of pure THC at one time to have a 50/50 chance of dying. To smoke this amount, spread over the course of a 17-hour day, would require power-sucking 1,000 average-sized joints of low-quality weed containing 2 percent THC (one per minute) or 100 joints of the world’s strongest 20-percent ganja (one every 10 minutes).([6])
Work by a different scientific team indicates that the average lethal dose in rats is actually 6 to 15 times larger. These researchers failed to induce any deaths at all in dogs using bodyweight-adjusted doses up to 24 times the level used in Nahas’s tests. In monkeys, more relevant to humans, they got no deaths at 72 times that level.([7]) This suggests that even 7,200 joints of hash or super weed smoked, or 16 pounds eaten, would not be fatal from the THC, although it certainly would be from lung failure or stomach rupture. All in all, Oxford pharmacologist Leslie Iversen rates cannabis much less toxic than aspirin, from which hundreds die each year of gastrointestinal bleeding.([8])[/quote7ddbfea4a8]

The only scenario I can see where marijuana could play a factor in death is, driving under the influence, but Alcohol and pharmecuticals are no different, and laws are enacted towards both.. By tripling the penalty for DUI cases regarding Marijuana.. It would become a minimal factor in DUI cases.

You're only 16.. Its not your fault you believed all the ONDCP (Office of National Drug Control Policy) and DARE bullshit they fed to you at school.. You're just misinformed )

I wasn't implying that the feds come on this site idiot, laol, I was poking fun at your extravagant ideas. You pretty much just provided an answer for your marijuana craving, move to Alaska hippy. rolls

Hippy? I'm no liberal tree-hugging hippy.. I'm actually a Conservative.. I voted for Bush. You should quit making assumptions of a person, if you do not know them. roll

I'm a democrat, bush is the devil, and the world is coming to an end.

are you wood?

if you are its cool, post some more deals to go with the weed though
wink

[quote57963b4615]are you wood?[/quote57963b4615]

wood? whos that?

[quote57963b4615]I'm a democrat, bush is the devil, and the world is coming to an end.[/quote57963b4615]

Typical liberal gibberish. Especially coming from a kid whos not even old enough to vote roll

[quote57963b4615]if you are its cool, post some more deals to go with the weed though[/quote57963b4615]

Well, Alaska is a conservative state.. The governor has tried numerous times to change the laws to make marijuana strictly illegal, but thanks to the Alaska Supreme Court, they have striked down his pleas time and time again.

While most conservatives strongly oppose marijuana legalization in any form, there are conservatives out there (such as myself that believe marijuana should be legalized and regulated)

[quote0ea51b9845]there are conservatives out there (such as myself that believe marijuana should be legalized and regulated)[/quote0ea51b9845]

aka. Libertarians

I'm not old enough to vote yet I've already shown I definately uphold a better knowledge of the topic than you. Go figure.

Same penalties as alcohol.

Age should be 18 for Alcohol & Marijuana.

Should be Alcohol, Mariujana, Tobacco and Firearms. It should not be any differant then alcohol. Infact alcohol causes more damage, and you are more impaired under Alcohol then Marijuana.

It is not a Conservative or Liberal issue as much as you are thinking of it as a Republican and Democrat issue. Republicans have a big base of bible thumpers, and thus are against this.

It is illegal because of racism, and because of the tyrannies of capitalism in the first place. More then 100 years later we still uphold the same tradition.

I actually consider myself conservative in most domestic issues, and even in some political issues. But I would never ever vote for Bush or any other neoconservative, supply side economics pushing president.

I can see myself voting republican if Hillary Clinton runs for office next time. And thank god that Bush is a lame duck president.

[quote962ac621a9]It is not a Conservative or Liberal issue as much as you are thinking of it as a Republican and Democrat issue. Republicans have a big base of bible thumpers, and thus are against this. [/quote962ac621a9]

This is really a Christian vs. secular issue either if you think about it.

[quotee0d5bb9a41]I'm not old enough to vote yet I've already shown I definately uphold a better knowledge of the topic than you. Go figure.[/quotee0d5bb9a41]

You did? Did I miss something? All you said was, marijuana will never be legal, that people that are prescribed medical marijuana will file lawsuits due to death (where I then explained how it is impossible to overdose and kill yourself on marijuana alone; where the opposite hold true against pharmaceuticals.. medical marijuana does not involve picking up a prescription and going to a pharmacy.. you grow your own medicine, where your own fatal error [even though there is none] would be yours and yours alone..), then you preceded to call me a hippy.. Then you said Bush was the devil and the world is going to end..

Get your facts on MJ straight or at LEAST provide some perspective to your arguements rather then shoot off your mouth about shit you can't back up.

In all honest, you are an annoying little shit. Take your marijuana debate somewhere else.

liGoogles real estate in Alaskali

[quote7442c64702]In all honest, you are an annoying little shit. Take your marijuana debate somewhere else.[/quote7442c64702]

Hey, its an Off-Topic post... You don't like what I'm saying? Then you can quit posting on this topic.. You need to grow the fuck up kid, not everyone is going to agree with you in every little aspect.. That what makes us human.

[quote7442c64702]liGoogles real estate in Alaskali[/quote7442c64702]

Actually Real-Estate is very cheap in Alaska.. I saw an ad for a 4 unit place with a total of 9 bedrooms going for $300K

[quote7411cee83c]Same penalties as alcohol.

Age should be 18 for Alcohol & Marijuana.

Should be Alcohol, Mariujana, Tobacco and Firearms. It should not be any differant then alcohol. Infact alcohol causes more damage, and you are more impaired under Alcohol then Marijuana.

It is not a Conservative or Liberal issue as much as you are thinking of it as a Republican and Democrat issue. Republicans have a big base of bible thumpers, and thus are against this.

It is illegal because of racism, and because of the tyrannies of capitalism in the first place. More then 100 years later we still uphold the same tradition.

I actually consider myself conservative in most domestic issues, and even in some political issues. But I would never ever vote for Bush or any other neoconservative, supply side economics pushing president.

I can see myself voting republican if Hillary Clinton runs for office next time. And thank god that Bush is a lame duck president.[/quote7411cee83c]

You say that because your 18 ;)

I would agree with you except for the fact that most American 18 year olds are rowdy and reckless when they get plastered. Hey, I was no different and there are plenty of 21 year olds that are the same way as they were when they were 18..

And your absolutely right.. Its not a Conservative or Liberal issue.. "Skunk" made it into one when he called me a hippy.. I merely had to correct him when he made such a stupid remark.

And you have every right to vote for who you want.. Democrat.. Republican.. Liberal.. Democrat.. A third party that won't get any votes twisted ... Its your right as an American, be proud of that.

You are also correct when you said it was about racism.. Thats what sparked it.. I believe in the 20's or 30's, they used racism towards Mexicans (or some Hispanic country) to make marijuana illegal, then started those Reefer Madness films that really sparked the prohibition.. Did you know that George Washington grew hemp? (probably not for getting stoned.. but he grew hemp nonetheless P )

[quote4937c0a3ff="Skunk"]In all honest, you are an annoying little shit. Take your marijuana debate somewhere else.[/quote4937c0a3ff]

Would you please STFU. Your ignorance about this topic is too much to bear.

18 year olds can get drafted and die for there country. I see no reason why they can not drink, and smoke. Over in Europe it is legal at a young age, and they do not have this problem. At 18 you should be considered a adult and have no law restrictions against your age.

And if you want it to be 21 for drinking, move everything up to 21. 21 to buy cigarrates, and 21 to enlist in the army. And most importantly 21 to vote. You should not let a kid that you think can not maintain himself to vote.

[quote5cb54f7cf7]18 year olds can get drafted and die for there country. I see no reason why they can not drink, and smoke. Over in Europe it is legal at a young age, and they do not have this problem. At 18 you should be considered a adult and have no law restrictions against your age.

And if you want it to be 21 for drinking, move everything up to 21. 21 to buy cigarrates, and 21 to enlist in the army. And most importantly 21 to vote. You should not let a kid that you think can not maintain himself to vote.[/quote5cb54f7cf7]

Yeah, In Europe its more linient, in Iceland (where my family is from), its 16 to drink "beer", smoke, and drive (21 for the hard stuff). But I have to say, that Europeans are a bit more tame than your average 18 year old here.. Though I'm not sure I can say the same for Icelanders.. We're Vikings.. We got the viking blood in us.. You pick a fight with us, and its all out war until the opponent is unconcious or runs off like a pussy twisted

If anything, I would say 18 to drink "beer" here in the States.. But strictly keep the hard stuff to the 21 year olds..

i think it should be 18 for everything. america is the only country that cares so much about this issue. you should have to be 18 to drive, drink, smoke cigs, smoke weed, vote, and be able to be drafted (only if you arent in school of some sort). weed should be legal because it is impossible to overdose, trust me P. maybe if the country becomes potheads we will mellow out about all this shit.

[quoted92f82a51c]and be able to be drafted (only if you arent in school of some sort)[/quoted92f82a51c]

thats not exactly fair to those who graduated college and are in a career making a living.. I'm not crazy about drafts.. I don't think we should have a draft unless its ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.

[quoted92f82a51c]weed should be legal because it is impossible to overdose, trust me[/quoted92f82a51c]

yeah man, it is impossible.. I smoked an ounce in one sitting once, and I ended up falling asleep.. You'll smoke yourself to sleep before you even reach 1/16 of the way of overdosing.. Also, those scientific tests.. They strapped gas masks to the animals and pumped pure THC in them continously (and they didn't die).. Its 100% impossible for any animal to overdose on it, unless you strap a gas mask on and inhale 16 kilos of pure thc for a week P

[quotef875b1899d]Its 100% impossible for any animal to overdose on it, unless you strap a gas mask on and inhale 16 kilos of pure thc for a week P[/quotef875b1899d]

ROFL, I dont think anyone is saying it is possible to OD on weed. I knew that after I got done with DARE brainwashing. I hope that was a ounce of shwag, because if not your going to get the smackdown D. Even still that is 50$ in one sitting on weed, I can see like X or some shit but weed is cheaper then that D.

[quotee644ce78a9]I hope that was a ounce of shwag[/quotee644ce78a9]

It was mid-grade.. It smelled nice with a taste of berry (It probably was a pure Blueberry strain or a cross with one)

[quotee644ce78a9]Even still that is 50$ in one sitting on weed, I can see like X or some shit but weed is cheaper then that[/quotee644ce78a9]

That was on my 18th birthday, I got blazed with a group of friends and they pitched in and gave me an ounce for my b-day.. As for XTC.. Thats something that should be illegal.. You can overdose on that.. very easily, plus a lot of shit out there is cut with DXM and other crazy stuff you don't want in your pills
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[quotea70745c8b4="Allen626"]Same penalties as alcohol.

Age should be 18 for Alcohol & Marijuana.

Should be Alcohol, Mariujana, Tobacco and Firearms. It should not be any differant then alcohol. Infact alcohol causes more damage, and you are more impaired under Alcohol then Marijuana.

It is not a Conservative or Liberal issue as much as you are thinking of it as a Republican and Democrat issue. Republicans have a big base of bible thumpers, and thus are against this.

It is illegal because of racism, and because of the tyrannies of capitalism in the first place. More then 100 years later we still uphold the same tradition.

I actually consider myself conservative in most domestic issues, and even in some political issues. But I would never ever vote for Bush or any other neoconservative, supply side economics pushing president.

I can see myself voting republican if Hillary Clinton runs for office next time. And thank god that Bush is a lame duck president.[/quotea70745c8b4]
I agree with this exactly, (accept, i consider myself conservative on almost zero issues.)

just curious.. you said you were conservative on almost zero issues.. may i ask what you are conservative on?

Yes, I'm ignorant, when I'm the one who obviously understands why marijuana is kept out of this country. Annoying little fucks like you would be smoking 24/7; The government thinks of people like you H3x and Broken sword. More importantly, I highly doubt that either of you have even smoked a joint. Good luck with that.

[quoteab4c83da73]Yes, I'm ignorant, when I'm the one who obviously understands why marijuana is kept out of this country.[/quoteab4c83da73]

really?? why didn't you explain this in the first place before you decided to talk shit on this post? i opened this post up for discussion on whether recreational marijuana should be legalized or not.. not some bullshit kiddy flame war that you decided to bring in here..

[quoteab4c83da73]Annoying little fucks like you would be smoking 24/7;[/quoteab4c83da73]

here we go again with the bullshit...

there are many annoying little fucks in the world right now that go on drinking 24/7.. why haven't they recriminalized alcohol? and alcoholics are a lot worst than some stoner.

[quoteab4c83da73]The government thinks of people like you H3x and Broken sword.[/quoteab4c83da73]

Why doesn't the government think of crystal meth addicts? crackheads? people with chronic alcoholism? people addicted to pharmaceuticals? people addcited to cocaine? the list goes on.. they are obviously more important to be thinking about right now then someone puffin on a doobie.

[quoteab4c83da73]More importantly, I highly doubt that either of you have even smoked a joint. Good luck with that.[/quoteab4c83da73]

A bong I made a while back for another forum (SaveSURGE.org)

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I made it for a forum of vault enthusiasts (actually gave it to one of the moderators on that forum as a gift).. but whats this? it appears someone is using the bong for illicit purposes.. Only pictures i could find at the moment.

But I honestly don't have to prove jackshit to you.. your a little prick anyways.. If you have an argument to make and you can't debate civily.. then keep your fucking mouth shut (and in this case, quit typing shit on here that you know is going to piss off a group of people)

[quoted0fec6db83="stackmjwiz"][quoted0fec6db83]there are conservatives out there (such as myself that believe marijuana should be legalized and regulated)[/quoted0fec6db83]

aka. Libertarians[/quoted0fec6db83]

Actually Libertarians are extreme left-wing hippies who believe prostitution should be legal, anyone can cross the border freely, 'legalized marijuana', practically no power to the government.. its 'almost' anarchy

I'm definetely no Libertarian (the only thing I agree with them on is legalized marijuana [except I would impose regulations and strict penalties to those that distribute to minors, in my opinion.. under 21.]

This may sound morbid and cruel, but hopefully one day you'll smoke too much and die. That will teach you a lesson.

[quote28f5b892a3]This may sound morbid and cruel, but hopefully one day you'll smoke too much and die. That will teach you a lesson.[/quote28f5b892a3]

You'll never learn when to keep your mouth shut... then one day, you'll do the same shit to someone on the street and you'll get your ass beaten to a pulp.. Get an attitude adjustment before you ever find yourself in a situation like that.

Also, its physically impossible to overdose (as mentioned several times), so that won't happen anytime soon. Thanks for the compliment though P

Just do not reply to him. He is just trying to provoke you, he is just joking around.

No, I stand firm on my beliefs and the governments rules over a toxic drug that kills too many people a year. If I've offended you in some way, it's probably because I don't want to see anyone on these boards just turn into a number.

[quote383fb6bc31="Skunk"]No, I stand firm on my beliefs and the governments rules over a toxic drug that kills too many people a year. If I've offended you in some way, it's probably because I don't want to see anyone on these boards just turn into a number.[/quote383fb6bc31]

Marijuana has never killed anyone. You can not overdose on the drug, as soon as your blood stream reaches 100% THC absorbition anymore is just a waste. I understand though you have fallen to the propoganda of DEAR. When you get a little older you will understand, or maybe you will not and lead a sheltered life.

[quote065cf03e7a]Marijuana has never killed anyone. You can not overdose on the drug, as soon as your blood stream reaches 100% THC absorbition anymore is just a waste. I understand though you have fallen to the propoganda of DEAR. When you get a little older you will understand, or maybe you will not and lead a sheltered life.[/quote065cf03e7a]

Its DARE (sorry for being an acronym nazi) twisted

and it sounds like he has been brainwashed by DARE and the ONDCP (Office of National Drug Control Policy).. Marijuana has not claimed a single life of its own (sure, there are fucknuts that go driving while under the influence, but alcohol-related DUIs clearly takes the cake in fatal accidents). It is IMPOSSIBLE to overdose on marijuana. Its physically impossible.

[quote065cf03e7a]I've offended you in some way, it's probably because I don't want to see anyone on these boards just turn into a number.[/quote065cf03e7a]

While you may not believe me, there is no number for marijuana deaths. Yes, there is more tar in marijuana; but there isn't over 200+ chemicals as in cigarettes, and when it comes to ratio.. you smoke less quantity of marijuana compared to cigarettes.. whats the rumor? 1 joint = 3 cigarettes? well no one i know of smokes 6 joints a day, where as tobacco smokers (yes, im unfortunately a tobacco addict myself) can smoke 2 packs a day (40 cigarettes = 13 joints.. now no one smokes that many trees on a daily basis)

At least hear the counter-arguements first before you make a judgement.

well from what it seems 61% in here support some kind of liniency towards recreational pot, whether its legalization or decriminalization (49% in favor of legalization, 12% in favor of decrim).. those are good numbers )