Ronaldinho - Best Football Player EVER.

cartrenroy

26-11-2005 13:01:14

[b67cca26c13]100% the best[/b67cca26c13]

[b67cca26c13]RONALDINHO GAUCHO[/b67cca26c13] - it's a great soccer player, wow - this guy is so good with the ball, great passes, great control over the ball, fast, knows how to play as a team.

You guys saw the game BARCELONA vs. Real Madrid - right?
Two beautiful goals

EBPIsMaR

26-11-2005 13:07:17

[quote860247e6ae="Cash4Cookies"]hmmm... actually he looks like he might be really terrible at football.

but he does look like a damn good soccar player.[/quote860247e6ae]

football is football is soccer...

american footbal is what you talkin about

Wolfeman

26-11-2005 13:16:40

I'd say one of the best now but not the best all-time...

Cash4Cookies

26-11-2005 13:31:00

[quote67f1301a9a="EBPIsMaR"][quote67f1301a9a="Cash4Cookies"]hmmm... actually he looks like he might be really terrible at football.

but he does look like a damn good soccar player.[/quote67f1301a9a]

football is football is soccer...

american footbal is what you talkin about[/quote67f1301a9a]

I know, I was just trying to fuel the fire of the great old "its football! no! its soccar!!!" debate... Its always fun.

cartrenroy

26-11-2005 13:34:51

[quote6910a9299f="Wolfeman"]I'd say one of the best now but not the best all-time...[/quote6910a9299f]

Who do you think is the best - or ARE the best?

Also, remember that you can't compare a Forward (Pelé) and a midfielder (RONALDINHO) because those are different positions
therefore is a different thing

Maradona & RONALDINHO - Two midfielders, great players (famous) - but I think that you cannot compare them because [b6910a9299f]Maradona [/b6910a9299f] was in drugs, I don't know -

Skunk

26-11-2005 13:48:34

Bottom line, Ronaldinho is better than anyone who has ever played the game. God blessed him with football skills, not good looks.

cartrenroy

26-11-2005 13:57:30

[quote24c8be3f64="Skunk"]Bottom line, Ronaldinho is better than anyone who has ever played the game. God blessed him with football skills, not good looks.[/quote24c8be3f64]

[b24c8be3f64]God blessed him with football skills[/b24c8be3f64] <--- YEAH - I want to see more of that

Archon810

26-11-2005 14:06:17

that guy's freaking fast man. but i can't agree, i think there are better legends... and for the love of god, it's soccEr, not soccar.

theysayjump

26-11-2005 14:06:30

Wow, that is a very bold statement.

The guy is what, 24?

There's no way that you can say he is more of a "great" than Pele, Maradonna, Eusebio, George Best, Dino Zoff, Zidane.

And for the love of God, it's Football, not Soocer. wink

estimulos

26-11-2005 14:10:49

I'm just going to be controversial here......he's not half as good as Wayne Rooney will become ;)

theysayjump

26-11-2005 14:11:49

[quotea709205f1c="estimulos"]I'm just going to be controversial here......he's not half as good as Wayne Rooney will become ;)[/quotea709205f1c]

If he doesn't let his childish temper tantrums get in the way he could be one of the future greats.

hehehhehe

26-11-2005 14:13:19

[quotea475c218e0="Wolfeman"]I'd say one of the best now but not the best all-time...[/quotea475c218e0]
Yeah I agree, he's really quick, a superb ball handler, and getting better but I don't think he is close to being the best ever. He doesn't yet belong with the likes of Pele, Maradona or George Best for that matter. I hope you're not basing your opinion on that video, where most of it was from when he was at PSG playing against shitty French league players. Ronaldinho is flashy, but I'd rather much have Zidane on my team, as he has proven to be a clutch player (I'm not the only one - compare their paychecks).

cartrenroy

26-11-2005 14:14:38

[quote1adbf6cdab="theysayjump"]Wow, that is a very bold statement.

The guy is what, 24?

There's no way that you can say he is more of a "great" than Pele, Maradonna, Eusebio, George Best, Dino Zoff, Zidane.

And for the love of God, it's Football, not Soocer. wink[/quote1adbf6cdab]

[b1adbf6cdab]Zidane?[/b1adbf6cdab] - do you really think that Zidane is better than RONALDINHO? no way

and is not Football is [b1adbf6cdab]Fútbol[/size1adbf6cdab][/b1adbf6cdab]

hehehhehe

26-11-2005 14:16:30

[quote47d932f9db="cartrenroy"]
[b47d932f9db]Zidane?[/b47d932f9db] - do you really think that Zidane is better than RONALDINHO? no way

and is not Football is [b47d932f9db]Fútbol[/size47d932f9db][/b47d932f9db][/quote47d932f9db]
Football originated in England so yeah, it's [b47d932f9db]football[/b47d932f9db].

Zidane makes about twice as much as Ronaldinho. Wonder why?

Strike

26-11-2005 14:16:43

Edit Nvm.

theysayjump

26-11-2005 14:18:40

Zidane may not be better now, but 5-6 years ago he would have ran circles round Ronaldinho. That's why I said Zidane will go down as one of the grats, but there's no way that Ronaldinho can be classed as a great, let alone the greatest just yet.

cartrenroy

26-11-2005 14:21:50

[quotea179a94ce2="theysayjump"]Zidane may not be better now, but 5-6 years ago he would have ran circles round Ronaldinho. That's why I said Zidane will go down as one of the grats, but there's no way that Ronaldinho can be classed as a great, let alone the greatest just yet.[/quotea179a94ce2]

well, you don't really have to be EXTREMELY FAST to be good, it's more about an OVERALL

x323smostwantedx

26-11-2005 14:22:53

"Football is football........Unless it's...........Football"

Iloveipods2

26-11-2005 14:23:48

[quotecb5a4e7864="theysayjump"]Wow, that is a very bold statement.

The guy is what, 24?

There's no way that you can say he is more of a "great" than Pele, Maradonna, Eusebio, George Best, Dino Zoff, Zidane.

And for the love of God, it's Football, not Soocer. wink[/quotecb5a4e7864]

ditto, except for Dino, Dino's a good guy, but I never liked him. No one can ever beat Pele. Pele- world cup champ at the age of 16. I like how the video showed Rivaldo though. Rivaldo used to be my fav player for a while(too bad he resigned international league cry )

anyways anyone going to world cup in germany?

theysayjump

26-11-2005 14:24:16

Ronaldinho is (more than likely) faster than Zidane was at his fastest.

Another 2 of the greats; Marco Van Basten and Eric Cantona.

Archon810

26-11-2005 14:35:59

anybody seen Andrey Shevchenko play? that guy's good too. he used to be on the ukrainian team, and i think now plays for Milan.

theysayjump

26-11-2005 14:39:38

Yeah Schevchenko is good, fast as shit, but he's a little of his game at the moment, at least from what I've read or heard.

Wolfeman

26-11-2005 15:22:27

Maradona, Batistuta, Best, Pele, Roberto Carlos, etc... There are so many players, its hard to say someone is the best. Its like who is the best basketball player? Jordan, Magic, Wilt Chamberlain?

cartrenroy

26-11-2005 15:25:50

[quote94611bc6a7="Wolfeman"]Maradona, Batistuta, Best, Pele, Roberto Carlos, etc... There are so many players, its hard to say someone is the best. Its like who is the best basketball player? Jordan, Magic, Wilt Chamberlain?[/quote94611bc6a7]

True BUT you can see a difference between the players - like you can't compare BATISTUTA with Maradona (both from same country) but Batistuta is NOT as good player/famous as Maradona (not even close)

Batistuta was/still a good player BUT mmmmm - just NO

Skunk

26-11-2005 15:30:02

Zidane is no where near as good as Ronaldinho is. Just because his contract has more zeroes doesn't mean he's better. One thing is for sure, Brazilians sure love their football!

Wolfeman

26-11-2005 15:31:45

[quote87c40874e0="cartrenroy"][quote87c40874e0="Wolfeman"]Maradona, Batistuta, Best, Pele, Roberto Carlos, etc... There are so many players, its hard to say someone is the best. Its like who is the best basketball player? Jordan, Magic, Wilt Chamberlain?[/quote87c40874e0]

True BUT you can see a difference between the players - like you can't compare BATISTUTA with Maradona (both from same country) but Batistuta is NOT as good player/famous as Maradona (not even close)

Batistuta was/still a good player BUT mmmmm - just NO[/quote87c40874e0]

Different eras. There is so much more talent now then when Maradona played. This is always a tough question in any sport...

cartrenroy

26-11-2005 15:34:54

[quote84c8ac4a13="Wolfeman"][quote84c8ac4a13="cartrenroy"][quote84c8ac4a13="Wolfeman"]Maradona, Batistuta, Best, Pele, Roberto Carlos, etc... There are so many players, its hard to say someone is the best. Its like who is the best basketball player? Jordan, Magic, Wilt Chamberlain?[/quote84c8ac4a13]

True BUT you can see a difference between the players - like you can't compare BATISTUTA with Maradona (both from same country) but Batistuta is NOT as good player/famous as Maradona (not even close)

Batistuta was/still a good player BUT mmmmm - just NO[/quote84c8ac4a13]

Different eras. There is so much more talent now then when Maradona played. This is always a tough question in any sport...[/quote84c8ac4a13]

True BUT still Batistua is not even close to Maradona (even thought Batistuta keeps playing)

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[quote84c8ac4a13="Skunk"]Zidane is no where near as good as Ronaldinho is. Just because his contract has more zeroes doesn't mean he's better. One thing is for sure, Brazilians sure love their football![/quote84c8ac4a13]

Thats for sure - Brazil, Argentina (basically All Latin America does), Europe - well EVERYBODY does - Football (soccer, futbol, etc) is the #1 Sport in the whole WORLD

phorty

26-11-2005 15:39:19

before he had his leg problem. i would agree even more, but yes i still agree.

Mapik

26-11-2005 15:56:09

He's good, but not the best.
He did 2 things during the whole video. 1- ran by people, 2- the little push then cut back (which is a sweet ass move and he is very good at it)....but that is it. Yes there was some other stuff, but nothing very impressive.

Skunk

26-11-2005 15:59:39

[quote083f85a1fe="Mapik"]He's good, but not the best.
He did 2 things during the whole video. 1- ran by people, 2- the little push then cut back (which is a sweet ass move and he is very good at it)....but that is it. Yes there was some other stuff, but nothing very impressive.[/quote083f85a1fe]

Sorry, but that has to be one of the most retarded statements I've ever heard.

Wolfeman

26-11-2005 16:01:30

I'm waiting for someone to come in here and say Beckham is the best )

http//www5b.biglobe.ne.jp/~banban/gazou/gousei/beckham.jpg[" alt=""/imgf71b1e89ae]

johnjimjones

26-11-2005 16:19:35

[quote5320ec8a69="theysayjump"]Zidane may not be better now, but 5-6 years ago he would have ran circles round Ronaldinho. That's why I said Zidane will go down as one of the grats, but there's no way that Ronaldinho can be classed as a great, let alone the greatest just yet.[/quote5320ec8a69]

I agree, Zidane was a much better striker than anyone years back especially when France was in the World Cup finals, they did win it, right?

[quote5320ec8a69="Archon810"]anybody seen Andrey Shevchenko play? that guy's good too. he used to be on the ukrainian team, and i think now plays for Milan.[/quote5320ec8a69]

He is another great player, since my grandpa has all of the Italian TV stations I watch a ton of the Juventus and AC Milan games, really like both teams.

cartrenroy

26-11-2005 16:23:19

Check this video

http//www.break.com/articles/ronaldinho.html

What do oyu think?

wth

hehehhehe

26-11-2005 16:24:55

[quotecf8e39f267="Skunk"]Zidane is no where near as good as Ronaldinho is. Just because his contract has more zeroes doesn't mean he's better. One thing is for sure, Brazilians sure love their football![/quotecf8e39f267]
So you're saying that although Zidane earns twice as much as Ronaldinho , has a reputation of scoring big goals, and LED a team to the world cup, he is nowhere as good as Ronaldinho? If you think Ronaldinho is better, fine, but I think you're exagerating when you say nowhere near (and therefore your judgement is suspect and bias apparent).

cartrenroy

26-11-2005 16:29:13

[quote43993d6d3c="hehehhehe"][quote43993d6d3c="Skunk"]Zidane is no where near as good as Ronaldinho is. Just because his contract has more zeroes doesn't mean he's better. One thing is for sure, Brazilians sure love their football![/quote43993d6d3c]
So you're saying that although Zidane earns twice as much as Ronaldinho , has a reputation of scoring big goals, and LED a team to the world cup, he is nowhere as good as Ronaldinho? If you think Ronaldinho is better, fine, but I think you're exagerating when you say nowhere near (and therefore your judgement is suspect and bias apparent).[/quote43993d6d3c]

#1 - Real madrid is the team with the most money (the one that pays the more - at the moment) and BARCELONA won - just becuase you get paid alot doesn't mean you are good

#2 - France won the world CUP but thats it, I mean yeah it was great BUT I mean it was like THE LAST THING IN THE WORLD - look at the way he plays and look at ronaldinho - common

Wolfeman

26-11-2005 16:30:06

[quote51d3276dd3="cartrenroy"][quote51d3276dd3="hehehhehe"][quote51d3276dd3="Skunk"]Zidane is no where near as good as Ronaldinho is. Just because his contract has more zeroes doesn't mean he's better. One thing is for sure, Brazilians sure love their football![/quote51d3276dd3]
So you're saying that although Zidane earns twice as much as Ronaldinho , has a reputation of scoring big goals, and LED a team to the world cup, he is nowhere as good as Ronaldinho? If you think Ronaldinho is better, fine, but I think you're exagerating when you say nowhere near (and therefore your judgement is suspect and bias apparent).[/quote51d3276dd3]

#1 - Real madrid is the team with the most money (the one that pays the more - at the moment) and BARCELONA won - just becuase you get paid alot doesn't mean you are good

#2 - France won the world CUP but thats it, I mean yeah it was great BUT I mean it was like THE LAST THING IN THE WORLD - look at the way he plays and look at ronaldinho - common[/quote51d3276dd3]

They won Euro cup too...

cartrenroy

26-11-2005 16:31:44

[quote395cef782c="Wolfeman"][quote395cef782c="cartrenroy"][quote395cef782c="hehehhehe"][quote395cef782c="Skunk"]Zidane is no where near as good as Ronaldinho is. Just because his contract has more zeroes doesn't mean he's better. One thing is for sure, Brazilians sure love their football![/quote395cef782c]
So you're saying that although Zidane earns twice as much as Ronaldinho , has a reputation of scoring big goals, and LED a team to the world cup, he is nowhere as good as Ronaldinho? If you think Ronaldinho is better, fine, but I think you're exagerating when you say nowhere near (and therefore your judgement is suspect and bias apparent).[/quote395cef782c]

#1 - Real madrid is the team with the most money (the one that pays the more - at the moment) and BARCELONA won - just becuase you get paid alot doesn't mean you are good

#2 - France won the world CUP but thats it, I mean yeah it was great BUT I mean it was like THE LAST THING IN THE WORLD - look at the way he plays and look at ronaldinho - common[/quote395cef782c]

They won Euro cup too...[/quote395cef782c]

Yes but its over - that was 6 years ago

what do you guys think of this video

http//www.break.com/articles/ronaldinho.html

Skunk

26-11-2005 17:06:15

Yea, that's on the same website as the movie...he hits the post over and over. He's so sick.

cartrenroy

26-11-2005 17:37:26

[quotea1fcb824de="Skunk"]Yea, that's on the same website as the movie...he hits the post over and over. He's so sick.[/quotea1fcb824de]

I know BUT is it real?
I mean, wth - how is that possible, I've never anything like that (and I watch soccer 80% of my time) - I don't think it's real (maybe a commercial or something)

johnjimjones

26-11-2005 17:44:20

Ronaldinho is so quick with his feet. I couldn't figure out how he did one of those moves and I had to replay it at least ten times to figure it out (forget about attempting it).

Skunk

26-11-2005 18:22:25

A kid on my soccer team can do that.

sha316

26-11-2005 18:30:02

If soccer is religion, Zidane is GOD! Ronaldinho will definitely attain that status in the near-future. Wish Man Utd. had bought him when Becks left (

theysayjump

26-11-2005 18:33:55

Zidane

# Voted Best Young Player in France in 1994.
# FIFA World Footballer of the Year - 3rd, 1997
# Golden Ball Award, 1998.
# FIFA European Footballer of the year, 1998.
# FIFA World Footballer of the Year, 1998
# FIFA European Footballer of the Year, 2000
# FIFA World Footballer of the Year, 2000
# FIFA All star team WC 1998, Euro 2000
# FIFA World Footballer of the Year, 2003
# FIFA All star team Euro 2004
# Named to the FIFA 100, a list of the best 100 living footballers in the world, by Pele
# Voted by UEFA as best European Player in last 50 years, June 2004

Ronaldinho

# FIFA World Player of the Year 2004

Ronaldinho vs. Zidane

http//www.koreus.com/files/200411/ronaldinho-vs-zidane.html

cartrenroy

26-11-2005 18:51:02

[quotea3ea80ba18="Skunk"]A kid on my soccer team can do that.[/quotea3ea80ba18]

I can do some of that, gets easier if you practice BUT hitting the POST over and over again - thats just WOW

cartrenroy

26-11-2005 18:52:22

[quote8a31faa6ff="sha316"]If soccer is religion, Zidane is GOD! Ronaldinho will definitely attain that status in the near-future. Wish Man Utd. had bought him when Becks left ([/quote8a31faa6ff]

WTF? so you are saying that Zidane is better than Pele, Maradona, etc?

you are NUTS

JUNIOR6886

26-11-2005 19:12:07

I didnt know there were so many soccer fans on the forum lol
i used to play soccer as a kid and i like catching clips of brazil in the world cup but thats about it.

johnjimjones

26-11-2005 19:13:10

[quote0a12f84d69="theysayjump"]
http//www.koreus.com/files/200411/ronaldinho-vs-zidane.html[/quote0a12f84d69]

Cool movie. I think Zidane has the speed (running) with the "older" moves and Ronaldinho has a ton of tricks up his sleeve that he can execute fast.
Ronaldinho has many years to come to get a LOT of awards.

cartrenroy

26-11-2005 19:21:20

[quote35f65ffe7f="johnjimjones"][quote35f65ffe7f="theysayjump"]
http//www.koreus.com/files/200411/ronaldinho-vs-zidane.html[/quote35f65ffe7f]

Cool movie. I think Zidane has the speed (running) with the "older" moves and Ronaldinho has a ton of tricks up his sleeve that he can execute fast.
Ronaldinho has many years to come to get a LOT of awards.[/quote35f65ffe7f]

Thats true - MANY more

Both players are great and hope to see more of them (World Cup 2006 - Germany) we will see ALOT of this players

Mapik

26-11-2005 22:57:36

[quotec9dc812686="cartrenroy"][quotec9dc812686="Skunk"]A kid on my soccer team can do that.[/quotec9dc812686]

I can do some of that, gets easier if you practice BUT hitting the POST over and over again - thats just WOW[/quotec9dc812686]

I can do some of that as well, but never could I do the posts. I once hit all three posts in 3 shots (2 in one - rounded poles).

It's all opinion on who is the best, so this is just a huge debate.

On a side note, a kid on my old team played against Landon Donovan. He said he was amazing, and he is damn good as well.

FreeOffersNow

26-11-2005 23:00:26

Stupid fairy ball.

Mapik

26-11-2005 23:00:45

[quoteb3aec87e94="Skunk"]
Sorry, but that has to be one of the most retarded statements I've ever heard.[/quoteb3aec87e94]

What did you want me to say, he had some good goals as well, nothing I viewed as impressive (esp for a highlights vid). There were about 4 awesome moves, + some cuts which he just ran by people. Other than that it was normal soccer that you'd see in a game, only this was by one player...but it was taken from how many games as well (....it's a highlight vid). The posts shootout he did was unbelievable, no doubt.

The Ronaldinho Vs Zidane video showed a lot better footage of Ronaldinho. From this I would take back my statements from earlier, but does still stand for that video. I haven't watch any football lately to see Ronaldinho play, but he is damn good. He's one of the better players to play the game, and still has many good years ahead of him. I look forward to seeing how he progresses.

estimulos

27-11-2005 11:20:15

Yeah that first video of Ronaldinho didn't show what is is really capable of.

But all this talk of who is the best player ever is stupid, there is more to being a good player than just skill....what about presence, leadership, awareness, positioning.....some might say Roy Keane or Bobby Moore were among the best players ever, but they weren't the most skillful guys to play the game.

If it was about skill, then Mr Woo would be the best player in the world, ever!

http//www.woosoccer.com/new_video/halftimeshow.wmv[]http//www.woosoccer.com/new_video/halftimeshow.wmv

(watch it all the way, you know its good if Glasgow Rangers fans give that kind of reception)