Question about XB360 and HDTV

I know all xbox 360 games have to support 720p, but do they also have to support 1020i? Or is that just optional? (ive seen both)

Its optional and its 1080i...

[quote6e403c20f2="Wolfeman"]Its optional and its 1080i...[/quote6e403c20f2]Thats what i meant D So i guess i really should try to get a HDTV with 720p then (

Get one with 720p and 1080i.

[quotefb2dd1afc7="Wolfeman"]Get one with 720p and 1080i.[/quotefb2dd1afc7]I really dont wanna drop alot of money though. This is just for my room so it really cant be that big (and ive got the 42" plasma coming from yfdirect). I was looking at this
http//www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetailReview.do?oid=120396&com.broadvision.session.new=Yes&BV_UseBVCookie=No#tabs

The plasma from YFDirect might be a monitor not TV (
http//forum.freeipodguide.com/viewtopic.php?t=31058

1.) Head to the AVS forums at www.avsforum.com and search for discussions about the TVs you're ressearching. I'm fairly certain that the term "monitor" used to describe the plasma you're getting has been misinterpreted. You WILL be able to use the "monitor" as a television; it will lack speakers and a TV tuner, but a cable box and some external speakers are all you need.

2.) Don't make your decision based on resolution alone. In many cases, the quality of a display's scaler and processor is more important than its resolution--particularly as your viewing distance increases. For this reason, some displays with 1080i native resolution actually look worse for a majority of HD content than do displays with lower resolution. (You'd be hard pressed to find a plasma display smaller than 60" or so that has a 1080i native resolution, but many people consider the picture quality on plasmas to be better than LCDs with higher resolution.)

3.) One caveat to the Samsung TV you're looking at it has an aspect ratio of 43. I don't know for certain, but I think that 360 games are in 169, which means that you'll get a squashed image on a 43 display. The same goes for most HD content and widescreen DVDs.

Hmmmm, i came accross this one http//www.circuitcity.com/rpsm/oid/132971/originURLEncoded/http%253A%252F%252Fwww.circuitcity.com%252Frpsm%252FcatOid%252F-12868%252FN%252F20012866%2B20012867%2B20012868%2B40001426%252Flink%252Fref%252Frpem%252Fccd%252Fcategorylist.do/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do#tabs

What should i be looking for in a scaler/processor?

wtf, it isnt even widescreen.

[quote237750bdb4="tracemhunter"]wtf, it isnt even widescreen.[/quote237750bdb4]Its supposed to have 169 ratio

i only looked at the link for a sec and it looked like it was 43

[quotef71bb9c2de="Crynos"]Its supposed to have 169 ratio[/quotef71bb9c2de]

It doesn't though...it's 43. See the description at Best Buy

http//www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7345688&type=product&id=1122652695847[]http//www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7345688&type=product&id=1122652695847

As I'm researching this, it actually looks like CRT screens have variable native resolutions; a lot of the issues surrounding native resolution apply only to fixed pixel displays (including LCD, plasma, DLP, LCoS).

Here's a good overview of native resolutions

http//www.cnet.com/4520-7874_1-5137915-1.html[]http//www.cnet.com/4520-7874_1-5137915-1.html

It's difficult for an untrained eye to evaluate scalers and video processing. (I couldn't do it myself.) If you're looking at CRTs, you probably won't find much discussion of it, but if you're looking at other technologies, I would suggest poking around the Audio-Video Science forums. Here are some terms you might see thrown around there

[bf71bb9c2de]False contouring[/bf71bb9c2de] - An artifact found in fixed pixel displays (i.e. non-CRTs, including plasma, LCD, DLP, LCoS) that produces splotchy, distinct sections in what should be gradual gradations of color or shadows.

[bf71bb9c2de]Jaggies[/bf71bb9c2de] - Video artifact that looks like a jagged edge as opposed to a smooth line. It often appears on diagonal lines in 30fps material.

[bf71bb9c2de]chrominance-to-luminance delay[/bf71bb9c2de] - Video artifact caused by the color signal lagging the brightness signal; appears as color smearing on the left edges of some onscreen objects; easiest to see with a test pattern that has a colored vertical stripe running down the middle of a white field.

Thanks Keith, pricegrabber described it as 169 and ill check those links/concepts out.

Don't buy those boxy 43 hdtv's.. you might as well flush your money down the toilet.. If your strapped for cash... go for this

http//www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Samsung-30-SlimFit-HDTV-TX-R3079WH-/sem/rpsm/oid/120404/catOid/-12868/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do[]http//www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Samsung-30-SlimFit-HDTV-TX-R3079WH-/sem/rpsm/oid/120404/catOid/-12868/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

Its a Samsung (the best in HDTVs from my standpoint), native 169, its got an HD tuner built-in, its got 1 HDMI input and a bank of component/composite)..

[b590661fa3f]$809.99[/b590661fa3f]

Me personally... I went with this

http//www.circuitcity.com/IMAGE/product/enlarged/sam/EC.SAM.HLR4266W.JPG[" alt=""/img590661fa3f]

Samsung 42" DLP HDTV [b590661fa3f](MSRP $1,999.99)[/b590661fa3f] but I got a huge cut (about 40% because I was an employee with Worst Buy)

The TV that h3x just linked to looks pretty good in person. The only complaint I've heard voiced is slight geometric distortion--unnatural bowing of straight lines at the bottom of the picture.

Might be worth waiting a few months for the newer models to see whether that problem gets fixed...

http//us.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/thin-hdtvsnot-quite-flat-but-getting-there-147943.php[]http//us.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/thin-hdtvsnot-quite-flat-but-getting-there-147943.php

[quote1911424ba4="KeithA"]The TV that h3x just linked to looks pretty good in person. The only complaint I've heard voiced is slight geometric distortion--unnatural bowing of straight lines at the bottom of the picture.

Might be worth waiting a few months for the newer models to see whether that problem gets fixed...

http//us.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/thin-hdtvsnot-quite-flat-but-getting-there-147943.php[]http//us.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/thin-hdtvsnot-quite-flat-but-getting-there-147943.php[/quote1911424ba4]

hmm.. there are no issues with my TV at all

[quotec93a200904="h3x"]hmm.. there are no issues with my TV at all[/quotec93a200904]

I was referring to the SlimFit one that you linked to, not the DLP that you own.

He might not even mind the issue, but it has been mentioned in many of the customer reviews of the SlimFit CRT at circuitcity.com and cnet.com. (When I first started researching TVs, that was one that really appealed to me.)

Regardless.. I think if you're looking to buy an HDTV thats under 32".. You shouldn't buy an HDTV at all.. Thats my perspective; I was just giving a helping hand. )

[quote3b15d6d3c8="h3x"]Regardless.. I think if you're looking to buy an HDTV thats under 32".. You shouldn't buy an HDTV at all.. Thats my perspective; I was just giving a helping hand. )[/quote3b15d6d3c8]I really cant fit anything above 30'' or so. That TV you posted is tempting, dunno if i wanna drop $800 though.

well you going to have to drop (AT LEAST) $800..

if you buy yourself a CRT HDTV.. you will be kicking yourself in the ass for it.

[quoteb6ddbe7f0f="h3x"]well you going to have to drop (AT LEAST) $800..

if you buy yourself a CRT HDTV.. you will be kicking yourself in the ass for it.[/quoteb6ddbe7f0f]LCD would get ghosting though with Xbox360 though wouldnt it? And plasma and DLP are most likely out of the picture because of pricing

[quote765287a337="Crynos"]LCD would get ghosting though with Xbox360 though wouldnt it? And plasma and DLP are most likely out of the picture because of pricing[/quote765287a337]

At your price range, the refresh rate on an LCD would probably produce ghosting.

I don't see anything wrong with CRTs. They'll produce deeper blacks, no ghosting, and more accurate colors than all but the highest-end LCDs, plasmas, and DLPs. The only reasons not to consider them are 1) The relatively small screen sizes in which they're available and 2) The bulkiness of the tube form factor.

But it sounds like you're not worried about screen size. So if bulk isn't an issue, CRT makes a fine choice.

Is the refresh rate on TVs measured the same as on monitors? My dell is 24ms and i get no ghosting playing cssource and stuff.

[quote189a0e0775="Crynos"][quote189a0e0775="h3x"]well you going to have to drop (AT LEAST) $800..

if you buy yourself a CRT HDTV.. you will be kicking yourself in the ass for it.[/quote189a0e0775]LCD would get ghosting though with Xbox360 though wouldnt it? And plasma and DLP are most likely out of the picture because of pricing[/quote189a0e0775]

i'm with hex on this. though you might find an affordable HD CRT tv, you'll probably want something nicer in the future. prices on HDTV's are dropping like crazy as more and more people buy them. i spent $2500 on my 44" Toshiba DLP last summer. it now sells for less then half that.

[quote12ab1faeb1="agroman"][quote12ab1faeb1="Crynos"][quote12ab1faeb1="h3x"]well you going to have to drop (AT LEAST) $800..

if you buy yourself a CRT HDTV.. you will be kicking yourself in the ass for it.[/quote12ab1faeb1]LCD would get ghosting though with Xbox360 though wouldnt it? And plasma and DLP are most likely out of the picture because of pricing[/quote12ab1faeb1]

i'm with hex on this. though you might find an affordable HD CRT tv, you'll probably want something nicer in the future. prices on HDTV's are dropping like crazy as more and more people buy them. i spent $2500 on my 44" Toshiba DLP last summer. it now sells for less then half that.[/quote12ab1faeb1]I am getting a 42'' plasma or 2500 dollar check around may/june ) Im checking out some LCD's and am prolly gonna go out to CC soon to look at some in person and see if i want LCD or CRT.

why do people think that lcds ghost? they did a couple of years ago but they don't anymore. i watched the fifth element and lord of the rings in hd and neither had ghosting on my lcd.

[quotefde9f02458="tracemhunter"]why do people think that lcds ghost? they did a couple of years ago but they don't anymore. i watched the fifth element and lord of the rings in hd and neither had ghosting on my lcd.[/quotefde9f02458]

Some people are more sensitive to it than others, but some LCDs do still have ghosting issues at 30fps.

Just got back from CC and im definitely going with LCD. I think i might wait and try to nab the Syntax Olevia lt26hvx for $500 on sale.