12DailyPro on the news

http//www.abc4.com/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoId=36141

im glad i didnt get myself tied up in this crap. roll

lols

o

A4F is going crazy with this whole 12DP thiing. I think ever member over there is signed up with them. I got $800 in there, hope I can at least get it refunded ?

The video won't link for me, but has 12DP shut down? How did they stay alive for so long?

Glad I never did this either.

So did anyone actually mnake money and take thier funds out??

or did everyone lose money

I did a blogsearch.google.com search for 12DailyPro. None of the first 6 blogs I visited are loading, nor is the video junior linked to.

Make sure youre using IE

OWNED!

Whoever did it had it comming anyways. Btw, wheres that n00b that i fought with many times who kept telling me 12dailypro is 100% legit and will never go down.


Finally!

[quotee3b5767d0a="ffactoryxx"]So did anyone actually mnake money and take thier funds out??

or did everyone lose money[/quotee3b5767d0a]


Someone was paid over $100,000 from 12 Daily Pro. Now since you can only have 6k invested at a time, I'm guessing he cashed out at least $94,000 that is sitting pretty in his bank account. It was posted in the forums, but they've seemed to have shut down the forums (

Here's the link anyway[=http//forums.12dailypro.com/smf/index.php?topic=1804.0]Here's the link anyway - it works if you log in to 12dp first

[quote614ae17136="Crynos"]Make sure youre using IE[/quote614ae17136]

Damn, I usually try to make sure that I'm [i614ae17136]not[/i614ae17136] using IE.

Actually, my laptop is still saddled with spyware or something, so IE doesn't work. Pity.

its not like anyone said anything about these things eventually all collapsing...

[quote159b5df4ae="liquidskin"]its not like anyone said anything about these things eventually all collapsing...[/quote159b5df4ae]

not all

but each one will collaspe eventually

[quote49693b6682="CoMpFrEaK"]but each one will collaspe eventually[/quote49693b6682]

didnt i just say that? roll

[quote00a0d1ab58="PokerNerdAA"][quote00a0d1ab58="ffactoryxx"]So did anyone actually mnake money and take thier funds out??

or did everyone lose money[/quote00a0d1ab58]

and that's all i have to say about that[=http//forums.12dailypro.com/smf/index.php?topic=1804.0]and that's all i have to say about that <--click it[/quote00a0d1ab58]

The forum works, you just have to Log In (12DP log in) and you will be able to see it

[quoted122cb79fd="liquidskin"][quoted122cb79fd="CoMpFrEaK"]but each one will collaspe eventually[/quoted122cb79fd]

didnt i just say that? roll[/quoted122cb79fd]

No, you said all, which i took for "all collasping at once"

EDIT I'm saying a few will always exist, but they will continue dying.

I've been saying since the beginning this is just a clever way to run a ponzi scam...

fudge and i had a $200 pending payement too wtf...

Sucks to the people who didn't send their Stormpay monies to another account.

I invested an entire $12 in it, which I got for free from Mr_Black. Made $18, withdrew it, and traded it for epassporte.

wtf happened?

[quotec789605a72="EatChex89"]wtf happened?[/quotec789605a72]

Stormpay is blackmailing and stealing. They locked 12 Dailys accounts, so 12DP can't withdraw any money. Now everyone is saying it's a Ponzi scheme and there's legal concerns and blah blah blah. 12 Daily though is working 'round the clock to fix it. It's deffinetly NOT Charis trying to take our money or close up shop and run with our upgrades. It's the bastards at StormPay. That video pisses me off so bad....assholes have no idea what they're talking about.

i'm glad i took out my $12 from stormpay, they alwasy scared me.. it ALWAYS looked like a scam site.

What would stop the government from shutting down Freepay and others since they are technically pyramids schemes that work really well. Don't get me wrong. I know 12Daily Pro is completely different and not even in the same league or even something we should worry about, but its just a question.

Why would they make a news report on this, i know its relevant for us, but the elderly don't really give a rats ass about this stuff do they?

[quote82712fabb7="EatChex89"]i'm glad i took out my $12 from stormpay, they alwasy scared me.. it ALWAYS looked like a scam site.[/quote82712fabb7]


http//www.embellishments.us/images/other%20holidays/angry-pumpkin.gif[" alt=""/img82712fabb7]

12 DAILY PRO IS NOT A SCAM! IT'S STORMPAYS FAULT!!!! Charis is doing everything she can to get everything back and runner!!!

stormpay is down and gone. there were movers in front of their building...

i saw that on talkgold.com forums.

12DP is a huge scam and so is Stormpay. They GUARENTEE 3000% return in a year. THAT'S FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE. Ask anyone that knows anything about finance, business, or investing and tell them about 12DP and they'll laugh in your face and tell you have fun with your pyramid scheme. Now I know people have made money but people in early enough in pyramid schemese always make money. The company is run out of an apartment in the ghetto, its a total scam. I was just waiting for the day that this happened...

[quote32c840562c="tracemhunter"]stormpay is down and gone. there were movers in front of their building...

i saw that on talkgold.com forums.[/quote32c840562c]

fuck

no i took my $12 out of stormpay..... i put $12into 12dp, and since i forgot to surf everyday i only made $12 P

archon got the most out of this

[quote1d47728c41="PokerNerdAA"][quote1d47728c41="EatChex89"]i'm glad i took out my $12 from stormpay, they alwasy scared me.. it ALWAYS looked like a scam site.[/quote1d47728c41]


http//www.embellishments.us/images/other%20holidays/angry-pumpkin.gif[" alt=""/img1d47728c41]

[b1d47728c41]12 DAILY PRO IS NOT A SCAM! IT'S STORMPAYS FAULT!!!![/b1d47728c41] Charis is doing everything she can to get everything back and runner!!![/quote1d47728c41]

whatever makes you feel better, betsy.

hahaha it is a scam, it's freaking run from an apartment.

12dp and stormpay are both scams!!! -D

even Warren Buffet only asks for a 25% return each year, not to mention hes the 2nd richest person in the world.

Even in the stock market a 15% gain a year is amazing enough. Though it seems like thats nothing to 12dailypro, since they can promise you 44% in 12 days roll

Either way, this issue brings upon the downfall of 12dailypro, even if they were innocent. With all this publicity its going to become detrimental to them, they will never recover.

[quote6ad82ae286="johnjimjones"]What would stop the government from shutting down Freepay and others since they are technically pyramids schemes that work really well. Don't get me wrong. I know 12Daily Pro is completely different and not even in the same league or even something we should worry about, but its just a question.[/quote6ad82ae286]

Well because freepay is considered part of the same loophole that amway is in. Sites like amway are nothing more then pyramids, but manage to skirt the law due to the fact they dont advertise CASH profits.

Amway has been touted as the largest PONZI scheme ever run.

[quotecfc44906ac][bcfc44906ac]Stormpay Completed Investigation & Refunding Arbit[/bcfc44906ac] - by Charis - 12DP Admin at 2006-02-04 130339

We have learned that StormPay has completed its own independent investigation, which we have learned did NOT involve any law enforcement whatsover, only their bank and themselves, and have begun arbitrarily issuing refunds. In addition they are randomly denying claims of individuals at their own discretion and threatening THEM with legal action.

We also learned that they are refunding members who have already received their upgrade payments from 12daily Pro. Thus essentially paying them twice with our money. Then on top of that they have announced they are going to seek to take additional money from us.

Not only are they now holding money paid to us as non-refundable upgrade fees, but they are also holding a great deal of funds that came to us as via other revenue streams having nothing to do with member upgrades including

Thousands of dollars in referral commissions we earned by promoting their website.
Thousands of dollars we earned in advertising sales
Thousands of dollars we earned from other online sources
Thousands of dollars in referral commissions we earned by promoting NETIBA, owned by StormPay.
Thousands of dollars earned from advertising promotions and for convention registrations.

They are also sitting on much more money that they earned in fees from both our company and all our members, transactions which they are now saying are null based on their own internal investigation.

We also have not been contacted by any law enforcement officials and/or been informed of any investigation by anyone. StormPay has created this lie in order to cover their own trail of blackmail, deceit, and money shifting that made them unable to pay our withdrawal request.

What does this mean? THERE WAS NEVER ANY INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF OUR STORMPAY ACCOUNT. STORMPAY LIED TO IS USERS...AGAIN.

StormPay has also lied to all of its users informing them that they just discovered 12daily Pro's business model. However, their own daily records since we began using them in May of 2005, they have a detailed record of payments both received by us from members and sent to members by us. Not only did Stormpay tell us just 5 days ago that we were an excellent client and member, they blackmailed us into forcing us to chose them as our ONLY payment processor, with full knowledge our our business model.

These current actions and this 'fake' investigation are simply a means by which they can cover their own illegal acts and mishandling of their users funds. They have provided us NO PROOF of an external investigation. And no external investigators have contact us.

In addition, Stormpay has locked us from access to our account, so we don't know who is being refunded and whether or not those refunds are legitimate. We also fear that they may be laundering and syphoning funds out of our account to cover their debts to their other users who have never even been members of 12daily Pro.

StormPay President, John McConnell openly admitted to me that they do not have the funds to cover their user accounts in their bank. These actions they are taking are ALL because of this. And now they intend to try to make 12daily Pro and all of you pay for their unlawful shifting both our money and yours.

By the second, StormPay is absconding with money that we need to legitmately refund our members and operate our business. Their actions are making it very unlikely that everyone will get the refunds they are due.

We have been advised that it may be possible to take legal action that will force them to cease and desist in dispursement of our funds until a REAL independent investigation is conducted. Other autosurfs are also in discussion of a class action law-suit against the company, who has a long negative history with the BBB.

Many supportive members on the forum asked us if there is any way you can all help us recover our funds from Stormpay via legal action. Requests were made that we make available the ability for members to donate to a legal fund for this purpose. Over 200 members have already donated. If you would like to assist us in our efforts to recover 12daily Pro funds from Stormpay, you can send a donation electronically via EMO with the following payment details

Account Name 12dp Stormpay Recovery Legal Fund
Account email= email=emo@12dailypro.comemo@12dailypro.com email=emo@12dailypro.comemo@12dailypro.com/email


OR you can send to our mailing address LifeClicks LLC
8116 South Tryon St.
Suite B3, #15
Charlotte, NC 28273


If we are able to pool enough funds for this legal action, we will not have to utilize company funds that are needed to provide refunds as we are able. As it is the staff has been cut to 1, myself, in order to use any and all available funds for refund purposes. Any assistance any member can give for this legal funds would be greatly appreciated.

If we don't take immediate legal action against Stormpay, they will continue arbirtarily taking and spending our money that we need to pay you your refunds.

Please know that I am here and I am going to stay here and continue to communicate with all of you the best way I possibly can.

Thank you in advance for your support.

Charis [/quotecfc44906ac]


I currently have $100 in 12daily Pro and was essentially in the evaluation stage (after seeing Archon's $16K screenshot). If I lose it, well, it was to be expected. If not? I'll probably just compound the $100 and get a bunch of refs )

[quotead2a4903af="FreeOffersNow"][quotead2a4903af][bad2a4903af]Stormpay Completed Investigation & Refunding Arbit[/bad2a4903af] - by Charis - 12DP Admin at 2006-02-04 130339

We have learned that StormPay has completed its own independent investigation, which we have learned did NOT involve any law enforcement whatsover, only their bank and themselves, and have begun arbitrarily issuing refunds. In addition they are randomly denying claims of individuals at their own discretion and threatening THEM with legal action.

We also learned that they are refunding members who have already received their upgrade payments from 12daily Pro. Thus essentially paying them twice with our money. Then on top of that they have announced they are going to seek to take additional money from us.

Not only are they now holding money paid to us as non-refundable upgrade fees, but they are also holding a great deal of funds that came to us as via other revenue streams having nothing to do with member upgrades including

Thousands of dollars in referral commissions we earned by promoting their website.
Thousands of dollars we earned in advertising sales
Thousands of dollars we earned from other online sources
Thousands of dollars in referral commissions we earned by promoting NETIBA, owned by StormPay.
Thousands of dollars earned from advertising promotions and for convention registrations.

They are also sitting on much more money that they earned in fees from both our company and all our members, transactions which they are now saying are null based on their own internal investigation.

We also have not been contacted by any law enforcement officials and/or been informed of any investigation by anyone. StormPay has created this lie in order to cover their own trail of blackmail, deceit, and money shifting that made them unable to pay our withdrawal request.

What does this mean? THERE WAS NEVER ANY INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF OUR STORMPAY ACCOUNT. STORMPAY LIED TO IS USERS...AGAIN.

StormPay has also lied to all of its users informing them that they just discovered 12daily Pro's business model. However, their own daily records since we began using them in May of 2005, they have a detailed record of payments both received by us from members and sent to members by us. Not only did Stormpay tell us just 5 days ago that we were an excellent client and member, they blackmailed us into forcing us to chose them as our ONLY payment processor, with full knowledge our our business model.

These current actions and this 'fake' investigation are simply a means by which they can cover their own illegal acts and mishandling of their users funds. They have provided us NO PROOF of an external investigation. And no external investigators have contact us.

In addition, Stormpay has locked us from access to our account, so we don't know who is being refunded and whether or not those refunds are legitimate. We also fear that they may be laundering and syphoning funds out of our account to cover their debts to their other users who have never even been members of 12daily Pro.

StormPay President, John McConnell openly admitted to me that they do not have the funds to cover their user accounts in their bank. These actions they are taking are ALL because of this. And now they intend to try to make 12daily Pro and all of you pay for their unlawful shifting both our money and yours.

By the second, StormPay is absconding with money that we need to legitmately refund our members and operate our business. Their actions are making it very unlikely that everyone will get the refunds they are due.

We have been advised that it may be possible to take legal action that will force them to cease and desist in dispursement of our funds until a REAL independent investigation is conducted. Other autosurfs are also in discussion of a class action law-suit against the company, who has a long negative history with the BBB.

Many supportive members on the forum asked us if there is any way you can all help us recover our funds from Stormpay via legal action. Requests were made that we make available the ability for members to donate to a legal fund for this purpose. Over 200 members have already donated. If you would like to assist us in our efforts to recover 12daily Pro funds from Stormpay, you can send a donation electronically via EMO with the following payment details

Account Name 12dp Stormpay Recovery Legal Fund
Account email= email=emo@12dailypro.comemo@12dailypro.com email=emo@12dailypro.comemo@12dailypro.com/email


OR you can send to our mailing address LifeClicks LLC
8116 South Tryon St.
Suite B3, #15
Charlotte, NC 28273


If we are able to pool enough funds for this legal action, we will not have to utilize company funds that are needed to provide refunds as we are able. As it is the staff has been cut to 1, myself, in order to use any and all available funds for refund purposes. Any assistance any member can give for this legal funds would be greatly appreciated.

If we don't take immediate legal action against Stormpay, they will continue arbirtarily taking and spending our money that we need to pay you your refunds.

Please know that I am here and I am going to stay here and continue to communicate with all of you the best way I possibly can.

Thank you in advance for your support.

Charis [/quotead2a4903af]


I currently have $100 in 12daily Pro and was essentially in the evaluation stage (after seeing Archon's $16K screenshot). If I lose it, well, it was to be expected. If not? I'll probably just compound the $100 and get a bunch of refs )[/quotead2a4903af]


Yup luck of the draw ) I hope it works out with everyone who invested into this program. It is unbelievible that a payment processor is possibly causing the end of this program. Most figured it would be the admin's fault or something like that.

Well all of these things will end eventually. But if you even pay attention to forums you can easily spot before the actual bubble bursts and get out before that. In the mean time you make ALOT of cash. I had a blog I was going to write for my autosurf blog about getting out of 12dp. That was before Christmas. It's the uninformed people that get screwed.

[quote4bc9284f0e="Sweeney2066"]Well all of these things will end eventually. But if you even pay attention to forums you can easily spot before the actual bubble bursts and get out before that. In the mean time you make ALOT of cash. I had a blog I was going to write for my autosurf blog about getting out of 12dp. That was before Christmas. It's the uninformed people that get screwed.[/quote4bc9284f0e]

who says it's ending yet? Things were looking good till after the convention. This was a major blow and was actually done by stormpay, not any factors inside the 12dailypro program. No one could have predicted this. I have a feeling that refunds will be made and a transition will ocurr that will keep the program alive for a while longer. At least some of the investors used EMO, so they might get their full upgrade back, but stormpay users might get a refund. As for ABC4 news, they do not know what they are talking about. For god sakes they can't even explain the program well. They still have yet to realize that the cause is stormpay.

I used EMO )

[quotea4415c0327="FreeOffersNow"]I used EMO )[/quotea4415c0327]


ahhh yes, one of the only smart ones D

[quote56d5dedfd0="Powerbook"]
who says it's ending yet? Things were looking good till after the convention. This was a major blow and was actually done by stormpay, not any factors inside the 12dailypro program. No one could have predicted this. I have a feeling that refunds will be made and a transition will ocurr that will keep the program alive for a while longer. At least some of the investors used EMO, so they might get their full upgrade back, but stormpay users might get a refund. As for ABC4 news, they do not know what they are talking about. For god sakes they can't even explain the program well. They still have yet to realize that the cause is stormpay.[/quote56d5dedfd0]
To be honest I'm not. Just that the stormpay problem looks pretty bad. And I haven't had the interenet for a month but before that things weren't looking good. Just generally when problems arise with autosurfs its a good time to get out or cut back on capital a little. I didn't even watch the news story. We should have an Autosurf area on the forum. Even if it says like DisclaimerAll autosurfs are scams.

yeah autosurf forum...i like it

http//www.gwydian.com/demonic/art/hellfreeze.jpg[" alt=""/imgfb09daf514]

Posted Tue Oct 18, 2005 1159 am

[quotea3ae567fbe="Admin"] 1) I don't like this site at all. It's not sustainable. The mathematical proof is both simple and undeniable.

2) Comparing this to a freesite like one of freepay's is absurd. If you do a free trial and refer friends your investment can be as little as $0. Additionally, the continued success of sites like freepay's for well over a year now laughs in the face of these deposit-and-get-rich-quick sites (or as I like to call them, "tax on stupid people" sites). I've seen dozens of sites just like this 12daily bullshit go under. Nobody's going to listen because they're all too greedy, but I really don't think keeping any money in there is a good idea.

Do you guys even know how PPC advertising works?
Even if 12dp was getting the absurd rate of $1.50PPC they'd never ever ever come close to covering the cost. This site is a pyramid / ponzi scheme in every sense of the word.

Edit and I'm not going to let my forums contribute to it.[/quotea3ae567fbe]

Admin how much for your crystal ball? P

[quote824182180e="JUNIOR6886"]Posted Tue Oct 18, 2005 1159 am

[quote824182180e="Admin"] 1) I don't like this site at all. It's not sustainable. The mathematical proof is both simple and undeniable.

2) Comparing this to a freesite like one of freepay's is absurd. If you do a free trial and refer friends your investment can be as little as $0. Additionally, the continued success of sites like freepay's for well over a year now laughs in the face of these deposit-and-get-rich-quick sites (or as I like to call them, "tax on stupid people" sites). I've seen dozens of sites just like this 12daily bullshit go under. Nobody's going to listen because they're all too greedy, but I really don't think keeping any money in there is a good idea.

Do you guys even know how PPC advertising works?
Even if 12dp was getting the absurd rate of $1.50PPC they'd never ever ever come close to covering the cost. This site is a pyramid / ponzi scheme in every sense of the word.

Edit and I'm not going to let my forums contribute to it.[/quote824182180e]

Admin how much for your crystal ball? P[/quote824182180e]
Hail all knowing Admin! http//forum.freeipodguide.com/smilies_mod/upload/65abb460e89d1ff989ee97372fb43815.gif[" alt=""/img824182180e]
lol

[quote5ffb23de0b]A call to the attorneys general in both North Carolina and Georgia confirm that they have active investigations into 12 Daily Pro.
[/quote5ffb23de0b]

http//www.abc4.com/local_news/local_headlines/story.aspx?content_id=FAFC4B6E-CD07-47AB-80CC-27BDC4253EF0

I hate to say it, but it seems that Charis might be lying. lishrugli

o

Also, looking at the bbb and through the reports and information posted, I think both companies were in cahoots with one another, and one of them got flagged and they're both trying to cover their own ass. BBB reports

12DP

http//www.charlotte.bbb.org/commonreport.html?compid=121726
http//www.data.bbb.org/scripts/cgiip.exe/WService=phoenix/phoenix/showrpt.html?language=english&zid=15006872
http//www.bbbwestflorida.org/commonreport.html?bid=90016982

StormPay

http//data.middletennessee.bbb.org/commonreport.html?bid=2146166

Now, the 12DP reports have JUST been created this month, so there's no big information contained there. However, one can reason that both are shady companies.

Good luck to those trying to get your money back. I have a feeling the big investors might get a knock on their door by authorities. Keep safe.

[quote422419afdd="justinag06"]yeah autosurf forum...i like it

http//www.gwydian.com/demonic/art/hellfreeze.jpg[" alt=""/img422419afdd][/quote422419afdd]
Didn't quite get it.
But that's understandable if you don't want an autosurf forum it's just that it would help those of us who are active in autosurfs.

Edited

I just don't get it either. lol

Info on stormpay's status

http//www.abc4.com/local_news/local_headlines/story.aspx?content_id=A2A1BADA-B214-4D4E-AFC9-E8EC29C592AD

[quote1c439e29ef]After freezing accounts connected with several "auto-surf" programs and calling those programs possible "Ponzi or Pyramid Schemes", the on line payment service "Storm Pay" has been unavailable for most of the weekend. Late Sunday night, however, the site, www.stormpay.com, was accessible once again. Storm Pay account holders, including members of 12 Daily Pro, are now able to log on and check their accounts -- with one catch Their money may not be there.[/quote1c439e29ef]

I have made $50 profit from 12dilypro. a lot of people dont know the whole story. its legit and its all stormpay's fault. it will be fixed and be all back to normal im sure. at least i didnt lose any money. mwahah

12DP is a ponzi scam. I hope everyone that reivests after this loses it all for being so retarded...

[quote49c83d7891="Wolfeman"]12DP is a ponzi scam. I hope everyone that reivests after this loses it all for being so retarded...[/quote49c83d7891]

i will re-invest when its back up.
i only invest my profit so i cant lose.

[quotefcbbe674c1="bspence"][quotefcbbe674c1="Wolfeman"]12DP is a ponzi scam. I hope everyone that reivests after this loses it all for being so retarded...[/quotefcbbe674c1]

i will re-invest when its back up.
i only invest my profit so i cant lose.[/quotefcbbe674c1]

That doesn't mean you're not retarded for doing it...

[quote4fae4b36cf="kevxross"][quote4fae4b36cf="bspence"][quote4fae4b36cf="Wolfeman"]12DP is a ponzi scam. I hope everyone that reivests after this loses it all for being so retarded...[/quote4fae4b36cf]

i will re-invest when its back up.
i only invest my profit so i cant lose.[/quote4fae4b36cf]

That doesn't mean you're not retarded for doing it...[/quote4fae4b36cf]

i guess. but i sitll didnt lose anything P

[quote76972de2d8="kevxross"][quote76972de2d8="bspence"][quote76972de2d8="Wolfeman"]12DP is a ponzi scam. I hope everyone that reivests after this loses it all for being so retarded...[/quote76972de2d8]

i will re-invest when its back up.
i only invest my profit so i cant lose.[/quote76972de2d8]

That doesn't mean you're not retarded for doing it...[/quote76972de2d8]


IAWTC.

Not everyone will learn, but I guess they're the ones that get what's coming to them.

[quote2ff5f1b11f="kevxross"][quote2ff5f1b11f="bspence"][quote2ff5f1b11f="Wolfeman"]12DP is a ponzi scam. I hope everyone that reivests after this loses it all for being so retarded...[/quote2ff5f1b11f]

i will re-invest when its back up.
i only invest my profit so i cant lose.[/quote2ff5f1b11f]

That doesn't mean you're not retarded for doing it...[/quote2ff5f1b11f]

Exactly. You are just keeping the ponzi going and making sure more people are screwed later...

bspence, I think you've proven your value as an analyst of investment opportunities over the last two weeks.

http//forum.freeipodguide.com/viewtopic.php?t=30990&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0[]http//forum.freeipodguide.com/viewtopic.php?t=30990&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Haha, I knew it was only a matter of time before that was brought up.

[quote4f60624910="KeithA"]bspence, I think you've proven your value as an analyst of investment opportunities over the last two weeks.

http//forum.freeipodguide.com/viewtopic.php?t=30990&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0[]http//forum.freeipodguide.com/viewtopic.php?t=30990&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0[/quote4f60624910]

+karma for post. Bspence= ignorant

[quotedba6bd15d1="bspence"][quotedba6bd15d1="Wolfeman"]12DP is a ponzi scam. I hope everyone that reivests after this loses it all for being so retarded...[/quotedba6bd15d1]

i will re-invest when its back up.
i only invest my profit so i cant lose.[/quotedba6bd15d1]
How about you invest it in my college tutition? There's a shitload more promise there.

[quote1711dde99f="KeithA"]bspence, I think you've proven your value as an analyst of investment opportunities over the last two weeks.

http//forum.freeipodguide.com/viewtopic.php?t=30990&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0[]http//forum.freeipodguide.com/viewtopic.php?t=30990&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0[/quote1711dde99f]

rofl rofl rofl +karma for the laugh

[quote64d82f9f8d="KeithA"]bspence, I think you've proven your value as an analyst of investment opportunities over the last two weeks.

http//forum.freeipodguide.com/viewtopic.php?t=30990&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0[]http//forum.freeipodguide.com/viewtopic.php?t=30990&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0[/quote64d82f9f8d]

I must admit, thats pretty good lol

[quote4a6338af71="KeithA"]bspence, I think you've proven your value as an analyst of investment opportunities over the last two weeks.

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[quotef8102ccf5c="KeithA"]bspence, I think you've proven your value as an analyst of investment opportunities over the last two weeks.

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look, i learned my lesson from that. and that is very different.
also I paid everyone back so if you could stop bringing that up it would be nice. I could have ran off with $250 but I didnt.

I bookmarked it. o

[quote0f5e0c610a="Veek"]I bookmarked it. o[/quote0f5e0c610a]

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[quote70f1abfae7="bspence"]look, i learned my lesson from that. and that is very different.
also I paid everyone back so if you could stop bringing that up it would be nice. I could have ran off with $250 but I didnt.[/quote70f1abfae7]

You handled the whole thing very well. I and everyone you dealt with appreciate that.

I'm just sayin', it might not hurt to take a little time off from the investment advisor routine.

bspence, do you realize that if it IS a ponzi scam, that you can be indicted just because you KNOWINGLY invested after you realized it was a ponzi scheme?

Good luck and for your sake, I hope you're right.

this is true, and also these forum posts can be used in the court of law as well....

i always used to trust in 12dp when archon used it.. although 44% return in 12 days is a bit ridiculous.

i hope that if 12dp comes back, that none of you are stupid and put your money back in.

I found a pic of the owner of stormpay

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[quote072e764b80="JUNIOR6886"]I found a pic of the owner of stormpay

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( for your joke.

FYI, I made over $10k from 12dp that are profit even after they haulted. i have my regular $6k in there right now and there's still a chance of EMO refund, but whether I lose it or not, I'll still keep the $10k.

Too bad they went down now and not 2 weeks later, cause I had $16k coming as one payment... couldn't stormpay wait damnit.

Do I regret getting into 12dp in Sept? Hell no. It crashed 5 months later and due to StormPay's nice behavior.

[quotee763b0a26d="Archon810"]FYI, I made over $10k from 12dp that are profit even after they haulted. i have my regular $6k in there right now and there's still a chance of EMO refund, but whether I lose it or not, I'll still keep the $10k.

Too bad they went down now and not 2 weeks later, cause I had $16k coming as one payment... couldn't stormpay wait damnit.

Do I regret getting into 12dp in Sept? Hell no. It crashed 5 months later and due to StormPay's nice behavior.[/quotee763b0a26d]

But so many people got screwed in the scam...

[quote65b76aeed4="Wolfeman"][quote65b76aeed4="Archon810"]FYI, I made over $10k from 12dp that are profit even after they haulted. i have my regular $6k in there right now and there's still a chance of EMO refund, but whether I lose it or not, I'll still keep the $10k.

Too bad they went down now and not 2 weeks later, cause I had $16k coming as one payment... couldn't stormpay wait damnit.

Do I regret getting into 12dp in Sept? Hell no. It crashed 5 months later and due to StormPay's nice behavior.[/quote65b76aeed4]

But so many people got screwed in the scam...[/quote65b76aeed4]

How many people get screwed in the stock market? Same kinda theory in a way. If you know your shit in the stock market you can generally ride stocks to the top and not lose. Same way with autosurfs.

i'm glad i didn't put my money in this

[quote4488325e37="Sweeney2066"][quote4488325e37="Wolfeman"][quote4488325e37="Archon810"]FYI, I made over $10k from 12dp that are profit even after they haulted. i have my regular $6k in there right now and there's still a chance of EMO refund, but whether I lose it or not, I'll still keep the $10k.

Too bad they went down now and not 2 weeks later, cause I had $16k coming as one payment... couldn't stormpay wait damnit.

Do I regret getting into 12dp in Sept? Hell no. It crashed 5 months later and due to StormPay's nice behavior.[/quote4488325e37]

But so many people got screwed in the scam...[/quote4488325e37]

How many people get screwed in the stock market? Same kinda theory in a way. If you know your shit in the stock market you can generally ride stocks to the top and not lose. Same way with autosurfs.[/quote4488325e37]

don't try and sugercoat the truth

at least achron admitted what this was when he did it.

some people got screwed, and you made your money off of them

[quote6b3c335e8a="justinag06"][quote6b3c335e8a="Sweeney2066"][quote6b3c335e8a="Wolfeman"][quote6b3c335e8a="Archon810"]FYI, I made over $10k from 12dp that are profit even after they haulted. i have my regular $6k in there right now and there's still a chance of EMO refund, but whether I lose it or not, I'll still keep the $10k.

Too bad they went down now and not 2 weeks later, cause I had $16k coming as one payment... couldn't stormpay wait damnit.

Do I regret getting into 12dp in Sept? Hell no. It crashed 5 months later and due to StormPay's nice behavior.[/quote6b3c335e8a]

But so many people got screwed in the scam...[/quote6b3c335e8a]

How many people get screwed in the stock market? Same kinda theory in a way. If you know your shit in the stock market you can generally ride stocks to the top and not lose. Same way with autosurfs.[/quote6b3c335e8a]

don't try and sugercoat the truth

at least achron admitted what this was when he did it.

some people got screwed, and you made your money off of them[/quote6b3c335e8a]

I never had a chance to invest. So I didn't make any money off of anyone. But it is a worthy analogy. They shouldn't be investing money in something they have no knowledge about. Their own greed and ignorance causes them to lose money. Read Rich Dad, Poor Dad.

[quote93adbe65e8="Sweeney2066"][quote93adbe65e8="Wolfeman"][quote93adbe65e8="Archon810"]FYI, I made over $10k from 12dp that are profit even after they haulted. i have my regular $6k in there right now and there's still a chance of EMO refund, but whether I lose it or not, I'll still keep the $10k.

Too bad they went down now and not 2 weeks later, cause I had $16k coming as one payment... couldn't stormpay wait damnit.

Do I regret getting into 12dp in Sept? Hell no. It crashed 5 months later and due to StormPay's nice behavior.[/quote93adbe65e8]

But so many people got screwed in the scam...[/quote93adbe65e8]

How many people get screwed in the stock market? Same kinda theory in a way. If you know your shit in the stock market you can generally ride stocks to the top and not lose. Same way with autosurfs.[/quote93adbe65e8]

Autosurfers will eventually lose

Does not hold true for the stock market.

[quote0b7f4f91ba="CoMpFrEaK"]

Autosurfers will eventually lose

Does not hold true for the stock market.[/quote0b7f4f91ba]

So if you buy a stock at $60 it goes up to $70 you don't get out and it goes down to $0 you don't lose? Lots of people lose money in the stock market by being greedy and not knowing how to invest. If people have no idea how autosurfs work and when to get out then they shouldn't invest. And they shouldn't be risking money they can't lose. If you stay in the autosurf market with a level head you will make back the money you lost.

[quotea6cc31e5a9="Sweeney2066"][quotea6cc31e5a9="CoMpFrEaK"]

Autosurfers will eventually lose

Does not hold true for the stock market.[/quotea6cc31e5a9]

So if you buy a stock at $60 it goes up to $70 you don't get out and it goes down to $0 you don't lose? Lots of people lose money in the stock market by being greedy and not knowing how to invest. If people have no idea how autosurfs work and when to get out then they shouldn't invest. And they shouldn't be risking money they can't lose. If you stay in the autosurf market with a level head you will make back the money you lost.[/quotea6cc31e5a9]

And tell me, how often does that happen?

Stock market you're able to use prior knowledge to make the best investment. There are basic principles to the stock market. Look at Warren Buffet, 2nd richest man in the world, i dont think he got there using auto surfers.

Aside for studiotraffic (for obvious reason) most well known autosurfers have gone down the drain in less then a year. (4daily, 12 daily pro)

A worth stock to look at SBUX (Starbucks), it has been going up steadly over the past years.

ok how can I put this so you will understand....

the stock market isn't a casino for grown up people, it's based on real life. The american economy, the news, trends, you invest in the actuall company, meaning you own part of it. You can physically see this, and it's effects everyday.

now i'm not trying to dog your investment stratagy, If i wasto join a ponzi scheme i'd want to be at the top too, and i'd wanna bail at a certain point also.

doesn't change the fact that you got rich off people that joined because you told them they would get rich, and their just weren't enough new people to go around.

[quotefbad7329ec="justinag06"]ok how can I put this so you will understand....

the stock market isn't a casino for grown up people, it's based on real life. The american economy, the news, trends, you invest in the actuall company, meaning you own part of it. You can physically see this, and it's effects everyday.

now i'm not trying to dog your investment stratagy, If i wasto join a ponzi scheme i'd want to be at the top too, and i'd wanna bail at a certain point also.

doesn't change the fact that you got rich off people that joined because you told them they would get rich, and their just weren't enough new people to go around.[/quotefbad7329ec] I do realize that though. But I look at autosurfs very technically so I don't plan on losing any money. I'm just saying there is an actually stragedy to these things and just like in the stock market if you do your research you won't lose much. I appreciate that you guys were levelheaded about it though.

If you are smart and have a diversified portfolio you won't lose. All invesrments carry a risk but they aren't illegal and pyramid scams...

If you invest in a ponzi scam and you aren't in early, you will lose. I'm not saying the people that made the money are scammers but they were part of a scam unknowingly.

[quoteb9e9655341="Wolfeman"]If you are smart and have a diversified portfolio you won't lose. All invesrments carry a risk but they aren't illegal and pyramid scams...

If you invest in a ponzi scam and you aren't in early, you will lose. I'm not saying the people that made the money are scammers but they were part of a scam unknowingly.[/quoteb9e9655341]
If you know the rules of the game you will make money. If you guys ever want to get into stocks just read Jim Cramer's book Real Money. The way I look at autosurfs would be like a sinking ship with alot of gold on it. I can make alot of money as long as I get out before I drown or if I take out my capital and play with profit.

[quotecfb8cbafd9="Sweeney2066"][quotecfb8cbafd9="Wolfeman"]If you are smart and have a diversified portfolio you won't lose. All invesrments carry a risk but they aren't illegal and pyramid scams...

If you invest in a ponzi scam and you aren't in early, you will lose. I'm not saying the people that made the money are scammers but they were part of a scam unknowingly.[/quotecfb8cbafd9]
If you know the rules of the game you will make money. If you guys ever want to get into stocks just read Jim Cramer's book Real Money. The way I look at autosurfs would be like a sinking ship with alot of gold on it. I can make alot of money as long as I get out before I drown or if I take out my capital and play with profit.[/quotecfb8cbafd9]

But its illegal, a scam, and you are taking money from the suckers that are joining right now. If you know its scam and keep doing it, you are just as bad as the people that started it...

[quote5df78ea4cc="Wolfeman"][quote5df78ea4cc="Sweeney2066"][quote5df78ea4cc="Wolfeman"]If you are smart and have a diversified portfolio you won't lose. All invesrments carry a risk but they aren't illegal and pyramid scams...

If you invest in a ponzi scam and you aren't in early, you will lose. I'm not saying the people that made the money are scammers but they were part of a scam unknowingly.[/quote5df78ea4cc]
If you know the rules of the game you will make money. If you guys ever want to get into stocks just read Jim Cramer's book Real Money. The way I look at autosurfs would be like a sinking ship with alot of gold on it. I can make alot of money as long as I get out before I drown or if I take out my capital and play with profit.[/quote5df78ea4cc]

But its illegal, a scam, and you are taking money from the suckers that are joining right now. If you know its scam and keep doing it, you are just as bad as the people that started it...[/quote5df78ea4cc]

I'm one of those if someones going to make money off it why not me? Besides its a lighter scam then most because people have to willingly invest money without checking all the facts first. Amazing things that greed does. Am I really any better? I don't know but I know theres too much money in autosurfs that I know I can make at low risk to turn my back on it. Does it make me a bad person? Different people have different morals.

I'm not trying judge you so long as you aren't going to play coy.

I almost got in on this myself, achron tried convincing me every day to, I just never bit.

[quote6a036fe0f2="justinag06"]I'm not trying judge you so long as you aren't going to play coy.

I almost got in on this myself, achron tried convincing me every day to, I just never bit.[/quote6a036fe0f2]
It is quite the moneymaker D .

[quotea594d8f611="JUNIOR6886"]Posted Tue Oct 18, 2005 1159 am

[quotea594d8f611="Admin"] 1) I don't like this site at all. It's not sustainable. The mathematical proof is both simple and undeniable.

2) Comparing this to a freesite like one of freepay's is absurd. If you do a free trial and refer friends your investment can be as little as $0. Additionally, the continued success of sites like freepay's for well over a year now laughs in the face of these deposit-and-get-rich-quick sites (or as I like to call them, "tax on stupid people" sites). I've seen dozens of sites just like this 12daily bullshit go under. Nobody's going to listen because they're all too greedy, but I really don't think keeping any money in there is a good idea.

Do you guys even know how PPC advertising works?
Even if 12dp was getting the absurd rate of $1.50PPC they'd never ever ever come close to covering the cost. This site is a pyramid / ponzi scheme in every sense of the word.

Edit and I'm not going to let my forums contribute to it.[/quotea594d8f611]

Admin how much for your crystal ball? P[/quotea594d8f611]

I have to admit, it lasted longer than I thought.
[quotea594d8f611="doylnea"]
Posted Thu Apr 07, 2005 1044 pm

I am only going to post in this thread once -

That said, if you put ANY money into StudioTraffic and encourage or suggest that your referrals do the same, you are likely participating in a pyramid or MLM scheme, which is, in many states, forbidden by statute. I would also say that it's very likely this is a Ponzi scheme (despite the claims that StudioTraffic has been around for 2 years), and that the payouts to the older members are merely checks cut on the new contributions made by new members.

If you rely solely on their initial $10 contribution to generate your income, I tend to believe that you would not fall under the Pyramid/MLM/Ponzi label and all you have to lose is the time you spend setting up the auto4surf application and your account.

As everyone has rightly suggested, if you choose to enter this venture and choose to put your own money into it, do so with the knowledge that there is no-one backing them up as an insurer or guarantor (like the FDIC does with banks) and that it's entirely possible (and I consider likely) that at some point in the near future that StudioTraffic will dry up and blow away with lots and lots of money in their pockets...

edited to addThe counter-argument to StudioTraffic being a Ponzi scheme is that they are relying on advertisers dollars to pay out. I can't imagine an advertiser staying on as an advertiser with the knowledge that StudioTraffic has a tool which allows totally passive, no-interaction surfing. I would guess (though don't know since I haven't signed up) that you can minimize the autosurf tool, and thus never see an ad or website. If that's the case, it's unlikely an advertiser would ever get a return on their investment, and jump ship soon afterwards.

call me cynical.[/quotea594d8f611]

Not sure if you guys have been keeping up with this, but http//www.tlennonfor12dailypro.com/

I'm too lazy to go into detail...but basically if you invested in 12DailyPro, you should go to the site. I'll be getting $96 back.

Hm, cool

Net Claim Amount $294.30

I won't believe it till I actually see it though.

I think I get $5 or so back.

hahah i sooo remember that site, but i stayed away from it.

$758 ) Interesting. I actually made a small profit on it. But I put in money the last time, and they got shut down. So, sweet.

I'll be taking donations...

[quote8c89db9251="FreeOffersNow"]I'll be taking donations...[/quote8c89db9251]

bleh 50k a year for school... you give me the donation wink

I need to apply for more scholarships, college is so fricken expensive here.

ok no donations...how about a thank you?

sweet, $707 here.

wow i get $29.76 a lot more than expected

[quotee3a659d934="FreeOffersNow"]ok no donations...how about a thank you?[/quotee3a659d934]

But yeah thanks man. I wouldn't have checked my gmail to look for it. ) Do you guys actually think it will come?

[quotead478348a7="Powerbook"][quotead478348a7="FreeOffersNow"]ok no donations...how about a thank you?[/quotead478348a7]

But yeah thanks man. I wouldn't have checked my gmail to look for it. ) Do you guys actually think it will come?[/quotead478348a7]

As long as you stay on top of the updates. Because the SEC was able to freeze all/most of the funds, they're really just redistributing all/most of everyone's invested dollars.

I'm assuming paying taxes on this money will not be necessary? Also, right now we just sit and wait? I assume they will want some type of proof. Shit, I do not even remember my EMO password and info at all heh. BTW, thanks for the help.

Anyone think this paying people back is a not so clever way of getting names and addresses of participants in 12DP - and then they'll go after those people for their participation in an illegal venture, or for the taxes due?

[quote5d49dad208="doylnea"]Anyone think this paying people back is a not so clever way of getting names and addresses of participants in 12DP - and then they'll go after those people for their participation in an illegal venture, or for the taxes due?[/quote5d49dad208]

I think it's unlikely that anyone will be targeted for their participation (though ignorance isn't an excuse, 12DP was presented to the public as a legitimate investment opportunity); but the taxation idea (on profits, not the MIMO) isn't too far-fetched at all.

[quote9117345125="doylnea"]Anyone think this paying people back is a not so clever way of getting names and addresses of participants in 12DP - and then they'll go after those people for their participation in an illegal venture, or for the taxes due?[/quote9117345125]

That's exactly what I was thinking but I didn't earn a dime from 12DP. I compounded it which was a big mistake on my part but I don't have to worry about evasion of taxes or anything being on my name. I saw the email and I didn't enter my information until FON's posted this because I thought it was a trick or something. Thanks nevertheless, FON.

I doubt anyone has anything to worry about if they did not profit from it. I just looked back on some records, and I did not profit. They are actually giving me my investment back. Although, part of me still thinks it could be some type of scheme. Who knows.