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if you watched the superbowl and the commercials, you would have noticed their commercial.

you're a bit behind.

[quotef702f93a27="EatChex89"]if you watched the superbowl and the commercials, you would have noticed their commercial.

you're a bit behind.[/quotef702f93a27]


More like if you've been living somewhere other than a cave for the past few years...he's more than a bit behind )

[quote6aad656c93="FreeOffersNow"][quote6aad656c93="EatChex89"]if you watched the superbowl and the commercials, you would have noticed their commercial.

you're a bit behind.[/quote6aad656c93]


More like if you've been living somewhere other than a cave for the past few years...he's more than a bit behind )[/quote6aad656c93]

well i'm giving him a benefit of the doubt... because yea it's been around for much longer..

[quote64f3b87304="FreeOffersNow"][quote64f3b87304="EatChex89"]if you watched the superbowl and the commercials, you would have noticed their commercial.

you're a bit behind.[/quote64f3b87304]


More like if you've been living somewhere other than a cave for the past few years...he's more than a bit behind )[/quote64f3b87304]

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personally i think this corn crap is all hype, cuz it's not a viable technology to replace foreign oil imports. it MIGHT make a dent, but we're way to dependent on petroleum for this kind of shift. It's a useless technology that will never catch on and nobody will even remember it in 10 years.

my 2 cents

[quote682bb1a488="crazyates"]personally i think this corn crap is all hype, cuz it's not a viable technology to replace foreign oil imports. it MIGHT make a dent, but we're way to dependent on petroleum for this kind of shift. It's a useless technology that will never catch on and nobody will even remember it in 10 years.

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I disagree, as oil production slows we're going to need to shift to fuels like these. I don't know the exact percentage (maybe half?) but Brazil has many cars running on ethanol. It would also be welcome, if the country would stop shoving these goddamn subsidized corn products into our mouths and into gas tanks instead.

ya, and brazil has what, 1% of the cars america has? i dunno, but you get the point. We're way too addicted to oil, and we need to better the technology that we have, not make new technology like this.

another thing you have to look at is the supply of corn in america. excluding the fact that people have to eat, if you take the entire corn crop of america and turn it into ethanol, it would still only fuel like 10% of our cars (or something like that, i don't remember the exact number but it was pretty small)...and that's not including all sorts of industry that relies on petroleum as well.

you're telling me that we're just going to multiply our country's production of corn by x10 or x20 so that we can become independent of foreign oil? that may sound good, but it'll never happen

ever

i'd rather run off shit.

wouldn't that be tight?

Oh man I need more shit in my car!!

all you gotta do is shit in the side of your car.

No, I never said we'd be independent of foreign oil, that's impossible.

What you said is mostly correct, the only thing that differs is our definitions of how much of a shift there will be (like I said, I never said there'd be a complete shift). You say it won't make a dent, I say they will. I think that even a shift of 5-10% is a dent but maybe you probably don't. It's all going to come down to pricing and competition between the different technologies. Look at Europe where many people use LPG and diesel since they are (were) cheaper than highly taxed regular gas. Even in Brazil, at one time over 75-85% of cars produced were ethanol until gas prices came down. Not to mention, we can also buy ethanol from other countries if it's cheaper.

I'll admit I'm doing some wishful thinking too, but if it's cheaper and better for the environment, people will go for it. It might be slow going but as gas prices go up we'll see what happens. Problem is that these energy companies aren't going to help us take money out of their pockets and setup an infrastrucure for ethanol, despite all their commercials about how they're looking to find new energy sources.

ok well if we all switch to %15 gasoline no matter what that is a much bigger improvement. Corn isn't really a problem to get, I mean don't we have tons of farmers either out of business or fighting to make a living as it is? This would provide a huge boost to the farming industry, across the nation. So this saves oil, better for the enviroment, stimulates the american farming industry, and oh i'm just guessing would make our new gas prices drop dramatically

yeah that does sound stupid acklic

Wow, thanks for the link...

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[quote291eaacd12="justinag06"]This would provide a huge boost to the farming industry, across the nation. So this saves oil, better for the enviroment, stimulates the american farming industry, and oh i'm just guessing would make our new gas prices drop dramatically[/quote291eaacd12]

Yeah it would be good for all these reasons.
I'm guessing they'd sell it as a premixed solution with gas in it.

And i heard about this a while back, but just started seeing links about it
on the internet and it reminded me so I thought I'd get some discussion on it.

(And believe it or not, there might be some people who haven't heard.) shock

[quote7cb783ede4="bballp6699"]Wow, thanks for the link...

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Heh heh, I just got that...

5-10% is probably a good sized chunk, esp. w/ the amount of money floating around in the oil industry right now. unfortunately, ethanol will never be a serious contendor against petroleum, and by that i mean above 35%.

As for boosting the farmers economy, it's a lot more complicated than that. now i don't have a degree in economics, but picture this. We get a whole bunch of farmers to start producing corn. we get stockpiles of corn to turn it into ethanol. then we get companies to actually turn it into useable fuel. then they sell it at prices that will compete w/ gasoline. through all that process, how much money will the companies be able to make? and how much of that money will go to the farmers? not much.

plus as we all know, mass producing something reduces the cost of each gallon drastically, but what about the farmers that can't mass produce corn? they can't keep up w/ demand, so they get the shaft by being forced to accept below average prices.

and what's w/ the karma joke?

Welcome To 1892.

Rudolf Diesel designed an engine that would allow farmers to grow their own fuel.

[quote3327b68e23="darkscout"]Welcome To 1892.

Rudolf Diesel designed an engine that would allow farmers to grow their own fuel.[/quote3327b68e23]

i love it.

[quotef97088a8f0="crazyates"]5-10% is probably a good sized chunk, esp. w/ the amount of money floating around in the oil industry right now. unfortunately, ethanol will never be a serious contendor against petroleum, and by that i mean above 35%.

As for boosting the farmers economy, it's a lot more complicated than that. now i don't have a degree in economics, but picture this. We get a whole bunch of farmers to start producing corn. we get stockpiles of corn to turn it into ethanol. then we get companies to actually turn it into useable fuel. then they sell it at prices that will compete w/ gasoline. through all that process, how much money will the companies be able to make? and how much of that money will go to the farmers? not much.

plus as we all know, mass producing something reduces the cost of each gallon drastically, but what about the farmers that can't mass produce corn? they can't keep up w/ demand, so they get the shaft by being forced to accept below average prices.

and what's w/ the karma joke?[/quotef97088a8f0]


you are dumb

I live in Iowa, where there is tons and tons of research being done for exactly about this type of stuff. Every couple months there is a breakthrough making ethanol cheaper to make, burn cleaner, and become closer and closer to becoming a realistic substitute.

In the next 5-10 years ethanol gas will be way cheaper and just as good as regular. It's already cheaper here in Iowa cause of gov't tax breaks

[quote71ff608f0c="crazyates"]personally i think this corn crap is all hype, cuz it's not a viable technology to replace foreign oil imports. it MIGHT make a dent, but we're way to dependent on petroleum for this kind of shift. It's a useless technology that will never catch on and nobody will even remember it in 10 years.

my 2 cents[/quote71ff608f0c]

Guess were oil comes from twisted

[quote2c1b4d039f="crazyates"]and what's w/ the karma joke?[/quote2c1b4d039f]

Everyone wants to know how the hell Scudhawk has 96 Karma, but every time you bring it up he just ignores it. shrug

THis technology has been around for many years. In fact most states have a permit you can get so that you can legally make your own ethonol (from potatos I believe). You really only need minor changes to your car to allow you to use this fuel (because it like eats throught the regular hoses and stuff). Really isn't that big of a deal. Hydrogen is the wave of the future

[quote64a7380923="HumanMan"]THis technology has been around for many years. In fact most states have a permit you can get so that you can legally make your own ethonol (from potatos I believe). You really only need minor changes to your car to allow you to use this fuel (because it like eats throught the regular hoses and stuff). Really isn't that big of a deal. Hydrogen is the wave of the future[/quote64a7380923]

Hydrogen is just a big battery. Nothing More. Unlike Oil / corn. You can't just go get yourself some hydrogen.

Maybe when people of this damn country will stop going "OMG NOES NUCLAR IS BAD" and adopt some of the technologies invented in the last 50 years, hydrogen will be cheap/easy to make.

In the 'transition' Diesel, Diesel/Hybrid is the way to go. Look at europe. I had a 1986 diesel golf that would get 50+ MPG. People are flipping out over these Hybrids that get 45 and have the internal capacity of a geo metro.

The VW Lupo is a 3l car. Meaning 3l per 100 km, works out to be 80ish mpg. Now imagine a small engine like that with some new hybrid technology. 100+ mpg would be simple.

Hey Scudhawk, how the hell did you get 97 Karma? People notice that kind of thing you know, you can't really ignore it much longer. I don't mean to point fingers, but if people don't like Admin and TSJ enough to give them 100 karma, they definitely don't like you to that extent. Why don't you just tell us what's going on. Or if you [i169961ab45]are[/i169961ab45] giving it to yourself via dozens of other screennames, just stop. Has anyone treated you with extra respect because of your absurd karma score yet?

[quote80d8081e01="Gooogler"]Hey Scudhawk, how the hell did you get 97 Karma? People notice that kind of thing you know, you can't really ignore it much longer. I don't mean to point fingers, but if people don't like Admin and TSJ enough to give them 100 karma, they definitely don't like you to that extent. Why don't you just tell us what's going on. Or if you [i80d8081e01]are[/i80d8081e01] giving it to yourself via dozens of other screennames, just stop. Has anyone treated you with extra respect because of your absurd karma score yet?[/quote80d8081e01]

Lol...i didn't think you could get so worked up about it. And no i'm not giving myself karma. I dish out a lot, and i get a lot. TR is the only thing that matters anyway. Change your underwear and move on with life...

dude i just don't think that corn-turned-fuel will ever work. it may be in the future, but the process need to to significantly cheaper to make it worthwhile, not only for the companies but also enought profits to pass it on to the farmers as well.

deisiels have been getting better, and i don't know why car companies arn't working w/ that. stupid clean air laws...lol. deisiels are gonna keep getting better, as long as more and more people start seeing it's advnatages over gas.

hydrogen is stupid...at least as of right now. how do you think they produce the hydrogen for those cars? from petroleum. all you're doing it eliminating the byproducts the combustion process, not during. so once again uless some incrediblly cheap technology comes out sometime soon (which is very inprobably)...hydrogen will be nothing more than a fad that will pass

i'm not trying to be a pessimist, but there's a lot of crap out there w/ people claiming to have the technology of the future, but it'll just never happen. personally, i think the future will be small, deisiel/electric hybrids. you wan't massive fuel economy w/ descent performance, there it is right there.