why are NFL players so dumb

Theyre phenominal atheletes but come on how dumb are they.

Now V Young's performance at the rose bowl was outstanding. Never seen a single guy break a team down like that. Definite NFL Star written all over him.

BUT I just saw ESPn and they say he got a low score on a wonderlic test. Said to myself no big deal anyone can do poorly on tests.

Thats until Sportscenter revealed a few sample questions

If a single pad costs 21 cents. How much does four pads cost?





The 9th month of the year is

lol at multiple choice for this one

1 OCt
2 Jan
3 June
4 Sep
5 July

VY is going to suck in the NFL anyways. He is a poor man's Vick and Vick isn't good either...

Guess the test got harder lol

A boy is 17 years old. His sister is double his age. At what age will his sister be when the boy is 23?


Dont know I like Vince. Only time will tell I guess. Can tell hes a lot more bulkier than Vick. Vick isnt even that bad. No need to get stroid all riled up

Those types of QBs are great for the NFL because they are fun to watch and sell jerseys but never are successful.

he has the instinct to win though, vick had a bad season but i bet he bounces back, ask stroid )

These guys are great athletes and Vick is much better than Young will ever be but these run first QBs just aren't successful in the NFL.

[quote73105d52c9="Wolfeman"]Those types of QBs are great for the NFL because they are fun to watch and sell jerseys but never are successful.[/quote73105d52c9]

taking a team to the NFC conference finals in like his 2nd or 3rd year is succesful. Vick

Winning div title and appearing in countless NFC title games and 1 superbowl appearance is successful. Mcnabb

Jax had a very good year and couldve made noise if theyre qb remained healthy. Leftwich

Culpepper put up very impressive stats before they traded Moss.


Aaaron Brooks does suck wont argue that one


Pretty impressive line. Unless you prefer taking the traDITIONAL WHITE QUARTERBACK WHO REMAINS IN THE POCKET and dont sell jerseys. sorry for caps

Alex Smith
Ryan Leaf
Ken Dorsey
......

Vince is dumb. I know him. He went to Madison HS which is in my old neighborhood.

[quote91d4ef9069="good2speed"]Pretty impressive line. Unless you prefer taking the traDITIONAL WHITE QUARTERBACK WHO REMAINS IN THE POCKET and dont sell jerseys. [/quote91d4ef9069]

I'm not sure what race has to do with any of this...but since you wanted to name all the white failures...how about we go ahead and throw these names out there

Steve Young (Super Bowl MVP)
Joe Montana (3-time Super Bowl MVP)
Dan Marino
John Elway (Super Bowl MVP)
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady (2-time Super Bowl MVP)
Troy Aikman (Super Bowl MVP)


How many run-first QB's have earned the honor of Super Bowl MVP? 0. How many run-first QB's have led their team to a Super Bowl win? 0.

I got love for Culpepper, McNabb (SYRACUSE!) and the rest of them...but as long as they are running more than 10% of the time, they will never be great. Show me an NFL QB who can run faster than he can throw a ball...maybe then I'll believe that run-first is a viable strategy. Leave the running to the RUNNING backs.

There is a reason

[quote87fcad4c08="FreeOffersNow"][quote87fcad4c08="good2speed"]Pretty impressive line. Unless you prefer taking the traDITIONAL WHITE QUARTERBACK WHO REMAINS IN THE POCKET and dont sell jerseys. [/quote87fcad4c08]

I'm not sure what race has to do with any of this...but since you wanted to name all the white failures...how about we go ahead and throw these names out there

Steve Young (Super Bowl MVP)
Joe Montana (3-time Super Bowl MVP)
Dan Marino
John Elway (Super Bowl MVP)
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady (2-time Super Bowl MVP)
Troy Aikman (Super Bowl MVP)


How many run-first QB's have earned the honor of Super Bowl MVP? 0. How many run-first QB's have led their team to a Super Bowl win? 0.

I got love for Culpepper, McNabb (SYRACUSE!) and the rest of them...but as long as they are running more than 10% of the time, they will never be great. Show me an NFL QB who can run faster than he can throw a ball...maybe then I'll believe that run-first is a viable strategy. Leave the running to the RUNNING backs.

There is a reason[/quote87fcad4c08]

Thank you for not including that dirty SOB #4 in that list.

See you had to get racial. I'm not talking about black QBs I'm talking about run first QBs. I include Jake Pumber in that two. This year he was the most successful because he finally started to look to throw before run.

McNabb is great but I think a lot of their success goes to their D. He made it to 1 Superbowl and stunk it up. Countless NFC title games = 4. 1-3 record in them. Vick could be great, he has such a strong arm, but he needs to not think run first. And naming 3 white QBs that aren't good doesn't prove anything. I'll give you a list of the greatest QBs ever and they are all traditional throw first QBs.

And just because a QB is black doesn't mean his is a mobile QB. Leftwich is slow as dirt and only has 2 rushes a game at most and only 3 yards a carry...

[quoteb0574c27b4="CollidgeGraduit"]Thank you for not including that dirty SOB #4 in that list.[/quoteb0574c27b4]

He deserves his own list. GREATEST QB EVER!!!
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Here's a list for you

http//www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFC/PRAT/2005/regular

Check out #14

Edit The only list he was at the top of was INTs thrown D

[quote4ce0f3ee89="Wolfeman"]I'll give you a list of the greatest QBs ever and they are all traditional throw first QBs.[/quote4ce0f3ee89]

Beat you to it...tried to stay 80's and on )

theres too much in here to comment on


I think Vince will be a pretty good quarterback

Wasn't Jake Plummer just a loose cannon before this season, always going for the big play? Anyhow I agree he is much better now. I won't comment on Vick, he has done some amazing things, including beating the greatest quarterback ever two years ago in the playoffs.

I say give him and the double-threat QB's time to adjust to the NFL. An offensive coordinator while figure all this out sooner or later with an offense so unpredictable it would be almost impossible not to win once they get one of these quarterbacks under control.

Get someone with the patience and forsight of a QB like peyton?

forget it they would be unbeatable

[quote78ad522334="Wolfeman"]See you had to get racial. I'm not talking about black QBs I'm talking about run first QBs. I include Jake Pumber in that two. This year he was the most successful because he finally started to look to throw before run.

McNabb is great but I think a lot of their success goes to their D. He made it to 1 Superbowl and stunk it up. Countless NFC title games = 4. 1-3 record in them. Vick could be great, he has such a strong arm, but he needs to not think run first. And naming 3 white QBs that aren't good doesn't prove anything. I'll give you a list of the greatest QBs ever and they are all traditional throw first QBs.

And just because a QB is black doesn't mean his is a mobile QB. Leftwich is slow as dirt and only has 2 rushes a game at most and only 3 yards a carry...[/quote78ad522334]

Ok I apologize. I thought you might have sub conciously taken a shot at black qbs. But it seems your just against running qbs as a whole.

If I was a gm however ( although Im not as knowledgable in football as basketball) I'd still make Young a #1 pick.

I aslo wouldnt be upset if people dubbed me as the next Micheal Vick. Gotta be better than being the next Marcus Vick.

Lets not forget that a few years ago(maybe 1) getting that kind of comparison would be of great value to a young player.

All it takes is 1 season of difficulties by Mcnabb and Vick and all of a sudden a running qb should be fazed out. Guess we were blinded by their athletic gifts the previous years.

[quote5c6cb0cc8c="good2speed"]All it takes is 1 season of difficulties by Mcnabb and Vick and all of a sudden a running qb should be fazed out. Guess we were blinded by their athletic gifts the previous years.[/quote5c6cb0cc8c]


Good job ignoring the data I posted (

Anyway, I live in Syracuse...and saw McNabb play all through college. I'm not saying the ability to run isn't desirable...what I'm saying is that a run-first mentality doesn't win games. Go back and read over my post...

good2speed

texans cant take vince at this point they've already choosen carr which isnt so bad maybe.


they already have people that can do what reggie does too, they don't need reggie.

they need to trade down and get a damn O-Line.

[quote011640c588="FreeOffersNow"][quote011640c588="good2speed"]All it takes is 1 season of difficulties by Mcnabb and Vick and all of a sudden a running qb should be fazed out. Guess we were blinded by their athletic gifts the previous years.[/quote011640c588]


Good job ignoring the data I posted (

Anyway, I live in Syracuse...and saw McNabb play all through college. I'm not saying the ability to run isn't desirable...what I'm saying is that a run-first mentality doesn't win games. Go back and read over my post...[/quote011640c588]

not that I ignored your post or anything. Just had to apologize to wolfe for the accusation.

Guess the qbs should leave the running to the running backs.

But many black qbs go into a college sysatem with a lot of bootlegs plays as well as option plays. Might just be hard to change a players habits if thats all he ran while in college.

All in all. Young can run and hes a big guy. Gonna take more to get him down than for Vick. If he learns how to pass more effectively he'll be great.

Just realized wasnt this thread to discuss the test.

How did we get here.....

[quotebc6c125ff1="justinag06"]
texans cant take vince at this point they've already choosen carr which isnt so bad maybe.


they already have people that can do what reggie does too, they don't need reggie.

they need to trade down and get a damn O-Line.[/quotebc6c125ff1]

My thoughts exactly.

[quoteaf1bcb675e="double_d"][quoteaf1bcb675e="justinag06"]
texans cant take vince at this point they've already choosen carr which isnt so bad maybe.


they already have people that can do what reggie does too, they don't need reggie.

they need to trade down and get a damn O-Line.[/quoteaf1bcb675e]

My thoughts exactly.[/quoteaf1bcb675e]

they need to sell some tickets and move some apparell.

Either Young, Bush or Leinart

or they trade for a star.

They need a big name to bring more attention to the franchise and D Carr is not going to do that.

Bush is #1 no question. Leinart is the best QB and if it wasn't for the Rose Bowl game Young wouldn't even be in the top 5...

[quote617cfee7d3="good2speed"]they need to sell some tickets and move some apparell.

Either Young, Bush or Leinart

or they trade for a star.

They need a big name to bring more attention to the franchise and D Carr is not going to do that.[/quote617cfee7d3]

Why are you so concerned with the marketing aspect of the NFL? Leave that to the sports marketers... (

[quotebc54f5c4e5="FreeOffersNow"][quotebc54f5c4e5="good2speed"]they need to sell some tickets and move some apparell.

Either Young, Bush or Leinart

or they trade for a star.

They need a big name to bring more attention to the franchise and D Carr is not going to do that.[/quotebc54f5c4e5]

Why are you so concerned with the marketing aspect of the NFL? Leave that to the sports marketers... ([/quotebc54f5c4e5]

Im not Im just assuming they need money. Wasnt the Texans GM or owner on ESPN today..

think he did say we need a high profile guy to come in and would be against trading down in the draft except for another high profile name.

Cant remember exact quote but Dan Patrick was egging him to answer how far hed trade picks down to and he told him he wouldnt tell but that hed need another big name to bring in fans and sell merchandise which he said is very key going into this draft.

They should draft Reggie Bush. He is going to sell a lot of jerseys...

I agree its important to a GM

also imagine reggie bush is amazing, and being the GM that doesnt pick him.

he has a lot of pressure on him.

but I just have a feeling he isn't going to look at all the angles.

He has the best spot in maybe one of the best drafts in quite a few years.

I have a lot on my mind on these issues
Favre is king! or at least was, he needs to let Rodgers take over in Green Bay.
Running QB's can't last a long time. Anyone remember Kordell Stewart?
Houston has to draft Bush, and a team with Carr and Bush will be fine if they get better on the oline.
Back to the topic- Young is not smart nor particularly talented, but Matt Leinart is. theres no doubt that Leinart is a better QB all around, and he'll prob be as good as Carson Palmer if not better.

thx for the sig

[quotee952f8bb91="good2speed"]thx for the sig[/quotee952f8bb91]

Its true. Leinart looked way better in college than Palmer and Vince Young has the ugliest throwing motion I've ever seen. It looks like he is trying to fling poop off his hands or something. He is going to get so many balls batted and an NFL coach will be smart enough to spy a LB on him so he won't be running for 150 anytime soon. He isn't fast enough and his accuracy is bad...

reggie bush is a game changing player, u say draft a o- line, when have rookies ever become badass lineman, they havent, every "smart" gm knows the best lines come from veteran free agents, such as the player in seattle....even robert gallery the best olineman every comin out of the draft, did you hear his name, pretty sure he wasnt in hawaii and i think i saw the raiders blow ass this year. so if the texans pass up on projected talent of reggie bush who could be the next ladainian tomlinson, were gonna be humiliated for years to come

[quote4fbe222020="Wolfeman"][quote4fbe222020="good2speed"]thx for the sig[/quote4fbe222020]

Its true. Leinart looked way better in college than Palmer and Vince Young has the ugliest throwing motion I've ever seen. It looks like he is trying to fling poop off his hands or something. He is going to get so many balls batted and an NFL coach will be smart enough to spy a LB on him so he won't be running for 150 anytime soon. He isn't fast enough and his accuracy is bad...[/quote4fbe222020]

He shined the brightest in a game featuring many future NFL players. The only thing the Rose Bowl '06 will be remembered for will be Vince Young. Maybe some will remember Bush coffin up that long rush early but for the most part Young set himself apart from everyone on the field that night. Also seemed like he wanted it and brought that swagger with him. Nothing could faze him.

Now I may be basing my opinion of one game too heavily and its apparent Vince isn't the smartest guy on the block. Nonetheless I see more success for him than just the Rose Bowl even if I couldnt find a competent USC defender the entire game. Now only time will tell.

It won't happen overnight since the team he'll go to will really suck.

I'd like to see him play in NY although I do hate the Jets and their uniforms.

I'm keeping the sig

who cares about youngs arm motion, as long as it connects.

didn't he have a better complition % than leinart this year?

and doesn't leinart also have an easier job with a team as good as USC around him?

ill be honest im sick of leinart i rooted against SC in every game this season to be let down, but ultimatly happier when they lost the ultimate game to texas

id be very happy to see him fail in the NFL.

the thing on lienart is he puts too much air under the ball, he could lob it to all this good receivers at SC thats why his stats were so well, or swing it to reggie bush, he wont be better than carson palmer who started the line of good qbs at usc in the 2000's. only advantage he has was his coach was pete carroll so he ran a pro style offense, so he might do actually decent even though his arm sucks. nfl is all about potential , and that is why all the hype is about jay culter and how hard he throws the ball, kinda similar to david carr years ago......which im regrettin now (

Young is going to get passes batted like crazy cause he throws kinda sidearmed...

[quote43d8bafb3c="kdollar"]nfl is all about potential[/quote43d8bafb3c]


I don't believe that for a minute...and you shouldn't either. Success in the NFL is all about making the CHANGE from being a college athlete to being a world-class professional athlete. If you can't make that change, I don't care how much "potential" you have...you'll end up like Eric Crouch.

[quote2afa50778a="FreeOffersNow"][quote2afa50778a="kdollar"]nfl is all about potential[/quote2afa50778a]


I don't believe that for a minute...and you shouldn't either. Success in the NFL is all about making the CHANGE from being a college athlete to being a world-class professional athlete. If you can't make that change, I don't care how much "potential" you have...you'll end up like Eric Crouch.[/quote2afa50778a]


i dont know what your talkn about FON but college is way different than the pros, it doesnt matter what you did in college for example eric crouch great college player, won games, fast - good athlete, had no throwin potential.....therefore scouts find potential in an athlete who may not be spectacular in college but what they can "mold" into a pro football player. for example a lonely guy from miami of ohio, who just won the superbowl, didnt do much in college, but saw potential in his arm and look at him now. so if ur sayin im wrong, i think you need to look of the qbs in the nfl now (brady, hasselback, culpepper) and why scouts chose them, not b/c of what they did in college but what they foresaw them doing in the pros with their strengths and how they would adjust to the offense or defense.

wasn't Brady a 6th round pick?

[quote7e588cb3a5="nitriv"]wasn't Brady a 6th round pick?[/quote7e588cb3a5]

Yeah but thats rare...

Just a few articles to keep the discussion alive

Longhorns' Brown defends QB Young[=http//msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5368928]Longhorns' Brown defends QB Young

Cutler hot topic of NFL Draft[=http//msn.foxsports.com/other/story/5372234]Cutler hot topic of NFL Draft

"Vince is very bright," the coach said. "I hate that people had to take a shot like that that's unfair and untrue. Also, I probably couldn't pass that test myself if I tried.
What does that tell you about the intelligence of the head coach?