Patriots unite

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Yay for the patriot act!!!

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Seriously, sometimes canada seems like a great option.

You had me concerned you were for the Patriot Act.

It pisses me off when I see people getting interviewed and say something like "Whatever the government has to do to keep terrorists away, do it! I dont care what it is!". evil

I don't really follow up on this stuff... What did they do?

[quote2809d2bea0="J4320"]I don't really follow up on this stuff... What did they do?[/quote2809d2bea0]
............. shock

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[quote3aa17f5ed5="johnjimjones"][quote3aa17f5ed5="J4320"]I don't really follow up on this stuff... What did they do?[/quote3aa17f5ed5]
............. shock[/quote3aa17f5ed5]

Wow big deal. I don't watch politics or the news much. It normally just gets around to me in other ways.

[quote9570d675ee="J4320"][quote9570d675ee="johnjimjones"][quote9570d675ee="J4320"]I don't really follow up on this stuff... What did they do?[/quote9570d675ee]
............. shock[/quote9570d675ee]

Wow big deal. I don't watch politics or the news much. It normally just gets around to me in other ways.[/quote9570d675ee]That's fine, the Patriot is a big deal IMO.

[quoted7f9c41b09="johnjimjones"][quoted7f9c41b09="J4320"][quoted7f9c41b09="johnjimjones"][quoted7f9c41b09="J4320"]I don't really follow up on this stuff... What did they do?[/quoted7f9c41b09]
............. shock[/quoted7f9c41b09]

Wow big deal. I don't watch politics or the news much. It normally just gets around to me in other ways.[/quoted7f9c41b09]That's fine, the Patriot is a big deal IMO.[/quoted7f9c41b09]

It probably is... So can you tell me or will I have to waste my time on Google?

How does the Patriot Act infringe upon your rights and liberties? Unless you are 1) On a known terrorist list 2) Have ties to a terrorist organization through family/friends or 3) Send an email or phone call using multiple "hit" words during a conversation, how does it affect you? Besides, monitoring telecommunications is nothing new.....

http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act

[quote4b41251a41="thehacker010"]How does the Patriot Act infringe upon your rights and liberties? Unless you are 1) On a known terrorist list 2) Have ties to a terrorist organization through family/friends or 3) Send an email or phone call using multiple "hit" words during a conversation, how does it affect you? Besides, monitoring telecommunications is nothing new......

http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act[/quote4b41251a41]

Are you taking the piss?

It's a police strengthening set of laws that give extra powers to authorities to help them stop terrorists/smugglers/whatever is bad coming in to the country. The problem is that packaged on is a hugely controversial issue which cnn can put better than I can

[quoteba009ec895]Among the more controversial provisions are the "roving wiretap" portion and the "sneak and peek" section. The first allows the government to get a wiretap on every phone a suspect uses, while the second allows federal investigators to get access to library, business and medical records without a court order.[/quoteba009ec895]

Notice the words "suspect". Usually authorities would need to get a court appointed warrant to do any of those things, now we leave it not up to elected officials to determine who is a "suspect" but to joe schmoe fbi agent and little miss lapd.

So next time you make a comment like "seriously, sometimes canada seems like a great option" someone may take that as a threat (well, probably not that, but you get the idea) and decide they need to check your phone records and set up a wire tap just to make sure you aren't up to any funny business.

So you've read through all that and you say, "so what, i have nothing to hide" just remember that once an authority gains a power it NEVER gives it up and you are just one step closer to infrared cameras on every telephone pole keeping an eye on whats going on in your house.

[quote598eaeb5ac="theysayjump"][quote598eaeb5ac="thehacker010"]How does the Patriot Act infringe upon your rights and liberties? Unless you are 1) On a known terrorist list 2) Have ties to a terrorist organization through family/friends or 3) Send an email or phone call using multiple "hit" words during a conversation, how does it affect you? Besides, monitoring telecommunications is nothing new......

http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act[/quote598eaeb5ac]

Are you taking the piss?[/quote598eaeb5ac]

just to be safe we better set up a surveilance van outside his house to make sure

[quote2f4eb887f2="slease"][quote2f4eb887f2="theysayjump"][quote2f4eb887f2="thehacker010"]How does the Patriot Act infringe upon your rights and liberties? Unless you are 1) On a known terrorist list 2) Have ties to a terrorist organization through family/friends or 3) Send an email or phone call using multiple "hit" words during a conversation, how does it affect you? Besides, monitoring telecommunications is nothing new......

http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act[/quote2f4eb887f2]

Are you taking the piss?[/quote2f4eb887f2]

just to be safe we better set up a surveilance van outside his house to make sure[/quote2f4eb887f2]

Do you have a court order under section 215 of FISA for that?

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if my phones were tapped. Too many unexplained problems with the phones, too many dodgy noises, other random people on the line, pick up the phone and someone hangs up, it caller ID showing people from Colombia and Compton calling the house.

I dunno, but it's pretty fucking freaky.

If you're unsure if your phones are tapped, just use the words "nuclear", "white house", "bush" and "jihad" in every conversation.

Then you'll be sure. ;)

[quotebc04938b24="Tholek"]If you're unsure if your phones are tapped, just use the words "nuclear", "white house", "bush" and "jihad" in every conversation.

Then you'll be sure. ;)[/quotebc04938b24]

Ok, I'm not even joking, but I talk about and have talked about that kinda shit with my family in Scotland and that's what happens.

Come to think of it, that white "Flowers By Irene" van has been parked outside for quite a few days now..........

[quote6f2048fa50="theysayjump"]
Come to think of it, that white "Flowers By Irene" van has been parked outside for quite a few days now..........[/quote6f2048fa50]

I will have them move right away.... roll

[quote3562997c25="Tholek"]If you're unsure if your phones are tapped, just use the words "nuclear", "white house", "bush" and "jihad" in every conversation.

Then you'll be sure. ;)[/quote3562997c25]
Good job, now the Feds will find this thread on Google and take everyone in for questioning roll

At least I have retardation on my side. They'll never have the heart to jail me. ;)

Hmmm seems to me men of shall we say diminished intelligence tend to want more power.

Bush

Hitler

Stalin

and the list goes on.

Kinda like the guys who take steroids. They try to make up for there shortcomings with muscles.

Well this president is trying to make up for the fact that HE IS A TOTAL IDIOT by trying to give himself all the power.

I actually really liked his dad too. Now I hate him for not having his wife have an abortion, or locking his retarded son up in some hidden hospital.

[quotea3202d71be="slease"]
Seriously, sometimes canada seems like a great option.[/quotea3202d71be]

As much as I love Canada, I regret to inform you that Canada has the same sort of legislation in place and more coming in.

http//www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=FOG20051117&articleId=1271

There are also some more juicy details here

http//www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHO20050616&articleId=174

The whole world is going to hell. Fascism is creeping in everywhere, not just here in the US.

For those who support the Patriot Act, don't forget

[ia3202d71be]Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.[/ia3202d71be]


As for surveillance of people/businesses/governments

http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON

http//www.fas.org/irp/program/process/echelon.htm

It's nothing new. When I first found out about this sort of stuff 10 years ago, it was labelled as a 'conspiracy theory.' It is obviously no longer a theory.

I remember seeing references to Echleon in some film or tv special that mentioned them alongside The Philadelphia Experment. D

[quote2efd68c8ca="thehacker010"]How does the Patriot Act infringe upon your rights and liberties? Unless you are 1) On a known terrorist list 2) Have ties to a terrorist organization through family/friends or 3) Send an email or phone call using multiple "hit" words during a conversation, how does it affect you? Besides, monitoring telecommunications is nothing new.....

http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act[/quote2efd68c8ca]


You're right. Half the people who are DEAD AGAINST the patriot act haven't even read it...but have only read translations of it read to them off of NPR.

Yeah I'm a Republican.

Section 802 a(I think) of the patriot act says something to the tune of-
Anything causing harm to another person is considered domestic terrorism, so if you are a domestic terrorist, you fall under all the same laws as any other kind of terrorist.

So you jaywalk, and endanger the people in the cars driving, yourself, and anyone else around. They can now lock you up without a trial, and with no kind of representation they can throw you in a concentration camp. I mean prison,( however you take it...) and forget about you for years.

There is also recent additions to the patriot act, more here http//www.prisonplanet.com/secret_patriot_act_2_destroys_what_is_left_of_american_liberty.html
Read a few sections from the above and tell me your not scared..

[b44fcd0c2d8]Here are a few headlines[/b44fcd0c2d8]
Homeland Security Agents Visit Toy Store
In Terror War, 2nd Track for Suspects
Court U.S. Can Hold Citizens as Enemy Combatants
Patriot Act Being Used to Harrass BlackBoxVoting.org website
Terrorism panic goes too far at Area 51
Secret Service Questions Students
Boy investigated by FBI for researching paper on Chesapeake Bay Bridge
Photographer Arrested "Under Patriot Act"
FBI says Patriot Act used in Vegas strip club corruption probe
Webmaster Sherman Austin, Jailed under PATRIOT Act
Patriot Act increasingly used against common criminals
Patriot Act available against many types of criminals
Patriot Act of 2001 casts wide net
Patriot Act's reach has gone beyond terrorism
Using The Patriot Act To Target Patriots
Shopkeeper deported from South Carolina under PATRIOT Act killed in Pakistan
Art becomes the next suspect in America's 9/11 paranoia
ARTISTS SUBPOENAED IN USA PATRIOT ACT CASE
Patriot Act used to prosecute U.S. civilian
Patriot Act abuses plain
British Journalist Detained, Harrassed On Trip To LA

These are just some of the stories that are available on 1 site.
http//www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2004/091004patriotact.htm

I remember reading that the government used a Patriot Act provision to spy on some vegan protesters.

OMG.

Those vegetable eatin, animal lovin hippies are enemies of the state! P

The terrorists hate that we are free, so the government needs to take away our freedom to stop the terrorists...

SEC. 802. DEFINITION OF DOMESTIC TERRORISM.
the term `domestic terrorism' means activities that--
`(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State

http//www.infowars.com/HR_3162/Sec_802.htm

And now our President wants the power to Line-Item Veto D. Why don't we just get rid of Congress?

[quote628182d81a="Allen626"]And now our President wants the power to Line-Item Veto D. Why don't we just get rid of Congress?[/quote628182d81a]

For your info, Bill Clinton used line-item veto 82 times during his time in the White House. Perhaps if the congress stopped pork barrelling, line-item veto would not be needed.....

[quoteb7ec7a7f46="thehacker010"][quoteb7ec7a7f46="Allen626"]And now our President wants the power to Line-Item Veto D. Why don't we just get rid of Congress?[/quoteb7ec7a7f46]

For your info, Bill Clinton used line-item veto 82 times during his time in the White House. Perhaps if the congress stopped pork barrelling, line-item veto would not be needed.....[/quoteb7ec7a7f46]

For a limited time and it was rulled illegal by the Supreme Court. Why? Because it has the executive branch making legislative decisions.

[quotee3a9bc8916="Allen626"][quotee3a9bc8916="thehacker010"][quotee3a9bc8916="Allen626"]And now our President wants the power to Line-Item Veto D. Why don't we just get rid of Congress?[/quotee3a9bc8916]

For your info, Bill Clinton used line-item veto 82 times during his time in the White House. Perhaps if the congress stopped pork barrelling, line-item veto would not be needed.....[/quotee3a9bc8916]

For a limited time and it was rulled illegal by the Supreme Court. Why? Because it has the executive branch making legislative decisions.[/quotee3a9bc8916]

The line item veto would not create a huge and unprecedented power shift in the direction of the executive branch. The item veto is a relatively weak and partial regain of the rightful budgetary powers of the President that were stripped from the executive branch by the 1974 Budget Act. The founders of our nation believed that the President, as the head of the executive branch and therefore responsible for spending taxpayer funds judiciously, had the authority not to spend money appropriated by the Congress if that spending was unnecessary.

This power was exercised from Thomas Jefferson's Presidency through Richard Nixon's. By limiting the extent of line-removal and ensure that the edits are related to the overall Bill, the line-item veto is a very important power that should have never been unrightfully taken away from the President.

Because Nixon was abusing the power of impoundment the 1974 budget act was set into place. Congress should have the power to allocate funds and having the president be able to say no to thoose funds without another check is a flaw in the check and balance program. It was never brought up before because no presidents abused it to the degree Nixon did.

Allowing the president to have legislative authority to the degree that the line item veto would has the power for much abuse and a great strengthing of the president which has already been going on for many years now, and more recently has been given more momentum.

There is much evidence for this growing momentum. Such as the president bypassing FISA courts in which he could have EASILY gained a warrant but setting up his own survalience program spying on American citizens. Or with the much buffed up support of the executive branch given by the Patriot Act. Or this congress's adherence to everything the president wants.

The scales are already heavily tipped towards the executive, they have been since FDR. The line item veto is way too much power for the president.

[quoted9b3d6ac83="Tholek"]If you're unsure if your phones are tapped, just use the words "nuclear", "white house", "bush" and "jihad" in every conversation.

Then you'll be sure. ;)[/quoted9b3d6ac83]

i think the CIA is monitering this thread now

[quotea9173678ce="syriandoode"][quotea9173678ce="Tholek"]If you're unsure if your phones are tapped, just use the words "nuclear", "white house", "bush" and "jihad" in every conversation.

Then you'll be sure. ;)[/quotea9173678ce]

i think the CIA is monitering this thread now[/quotea9173678ce]

ECHELON will monitor the board. Even incongruous words like Steph or Stephanie will kick the machine in...

The bacteria?

I've gotten strep throat countless times. Imagine if I posted about it. shock