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jeff7602
29-05-2006 12:39:17
PsychoAU
29-05-2006 12:51:27
Some kid will learn a meaningful lesson out of this. I think these sorts of auctions are great to see who actually goes for it. I wish I had a box from a 360 so I could make some money like that guy. More power to him.
tylerc
29-05-2006 12:58:29
This is why you always read the fine print.
BD2006BD
29-05-2006 12:59:47
The worst case is they get a negative feedback. If you buy something you don't have to pay.. you will eventually get kicked off of ebay though.
Wait I just realized that they might not know what happened until they pay and receive it. Yea that sucks for them.
JUNIOR6886
29-05-2006 13:02:16
HAHAHAH the funny thing is that the idiot who buys this cant
claim he was scammed because the seller made it pretty
clear that its just a box...
tylerc
29-05-2006 13:03:18
I bought an XBOX once off eBay after mine broke, but my friend fixed mine by resoldering the power supply, so I just didn't pay the guy. All I got was 1 negative feedback.
yeah i agree with you guys to some extent. the other problem is the people who create these auctions to deliberately deceive people. the heading is misleading. if that title was not misleading i would agree with u all...
BD2006BD
29-05-2006 13:05:42
When it was first released there were dozens of these on ebay. People got their money back from what I know. There were some news articles about it.
EDIT I messaged the top two bidders and told them whats going on and not to pay. Hopefully they read it before they pay.
SOLD! [spoilera7f85d529c]to some sucker for $355[/spoilera7f85d529c]
MyungChunHa
29-05-2006 13:11:14
[quote8b5a8227a5="jy3"]yeah i agree with you guys to some extent. the other problem is the people who create these auctions to deliberately deceive people. the heading is misleading. if that title was not misleading i would agree with u all...[/quote8b5a8227a5]
But it's not really misleading, here's the title....
[quote8b5a8227a5]MICROSOFT XBOX 360 PREMIUM BOX & PACKAGING ONLY !![/quote8b5a8227a5]
Do these happen all of the time?
I might have to try it myself ) , see how much I could get...
BD2006BD
29-05-2006 13:13:44
It is kind of misleading because people refer to the xbox 360 console as the box and then the manuals and stuff as the packaging. It seems like it's the box (xbox) and packaging (box it comes in). Misleading..but i wouldn't think someone with 999 fb and 100% would risk getting a neg.
Look at all the impersonators already.. Just type in xbox 360 packaging in ebay.
PsychoAU
29-05-2006 13:54:40
There is nothing misleading about the auction. It just takes someone with more than an ounce of intelligence to pick up on it. There is no fine print here. The seller may be deceptive, but the auction is straight forward. We obviously picked up on it, so anyone who doesn't deserves what they get. Before I spend that kind of money on something, I make sure it is what I think it is. Everyone else should do the same. And flick you for tipping off the buyer. It is none of your business what shoddy deals people knowingly enter into. Quit ruining it for the rest of us.
kidd2108
29-05-2006 14:00:24
[quote7af6c1af4b="PsychoAU"]There is nothing misleading about the auction. It just takes someone with more than an ounce of intelligence to pick up on it. There is no fine print here. The seller may be deceptive, but the auction is straight forward. We obviously picked up on it, so anyone who doesn't deserves what they get. Before I spend that kind of money on something, I make sure it is what I think it is. Everyone else should do the same. And flick you for tipping off the buyer. It is none of your business what shoddy deals people knowingly enter into. Quit ruining it for the rest of us.[/quote7af6c1af4b]
I agree. Its not misleading at all. Ive seen other auctions like this which look more misleading. The bad thing is that the guy has 100% positive feedback...here comes his first negative.
BD2006BD
29-05-2006 14:12:08
[quote97dd21c25c="PsychoAU"]There is nothing misleading about the auction. It just takes someone with more than an ounce of intelligence to pick up on it. There is no fine print here. The seller may be deceptive, but the auction is straight forward. We obviously picked up on it, so anyone who doesn't deserves what they get. Before I spend that kind of money on something, I make sure it is what I think it is. Everyone else should do the same. And flick you for tipping off the buyer. It is none of your business what shoddy deals people knowingly enter into. Quit ruining it for the rest of us.[/quote97dd21c25c]
flick me? I am trying to tip them off because they don't deserve to be scammed like that. I have seen some that clearly stated that it was just the box and packaging..but this one is kind of pushing it. It kind of sounds like the actual xbox. I still think people should be careful before wasting 400 like that but this was kind of pushing it. And are you deceiveing people? Becasue I would be glad to tell them about it.
OldManWrigley
29-05-2006 14:19:42
It sounds nothing like you're getting the system. It's 100% clear that all you get is box and manuals.....[b56a932dcd4]MICROSOFT XBOX 360 PREMIUM BOX & PACKAGING ONLY !![/b56a932dcd4]....seems pretty damn obvious you get the box and packaging only. Not to mention the description [b56a932dcd4]This auction is for the xbox 360 premium box, wrapers & manuals Only!![/b56a932dcd4] makes it pretty damn clear that there is no system involved......I don't know how the hell it got 37 bids, but only a complete idiotic fool would think they were getting the system with it.
PsychoAU
29-05-2006 15:33:07
[quote79d7f96646="BD2006BD"]flick me? I am trying to tip them off because they don't deserve to be scammed like that.[/quote79d7f96646]
See, I say they do deserve it because they are too stupid to know what they are bidding on. If we can all catch the difference, so should they. And anyone who can't deserves to learn a $400 lesson.
And whether or not I am an ebay scammer is beside the point. It doesn't change the fact that I love to watch stupid people losing their money. evil
MyungChunHa
29-05-2006 15:38:16
[quoted491f35848="PsychoAU"][quoted491f35848="BD2006BD"]flick me? I am trying to tip them off because they don't deserve to be scammed like that.[/quoted491f35848]
See, I say they do deserve it because they are too stupid to know what they are bidding on. If we can all catch the difference, so should they. And anyone who can't deserves to learn a $400 lesson.
And whether or not I am an ebay scammer is beside the point. It doesn't change the fact that I love to watch stupid people losing their money. evil[/quoted491f35848]
More than likely they don't [id491f35848]deserve[/id491f35848] it (I don't know the guy so I won't say anything about him/her), it's more so that they need to learn a lesson since they aren't careful over the internet (obviously) and it's better to lose $400 now than to lose $6 grand (maybe even more) to someone else later...
OldManWrigley
29-05-2006 15:54:14
[quote8b5de818d9="AbSoLuT_xXxEr0"] it's better to lose $400 now than to lose $6 grand (maybe even more) to someone else later...[/quote8b5de818d9]
You wouldn't be talking about 12 Daily Pro now would you? P
Hey, maybe someone that's not proficient in english bought it?
That still sucks though. Should have bought it at a store instead.
PsychoAU
29-05-2006 15:59:50
A fool and his money are soon parted.
Yes, they deserve it for the simple reason that they are fools. And foolish people deserve to be taken advantage of. The solution would either be to not be foolish, or to hide it well. Anything less is just asking for trouble
bruman
29-05-2006 16:04:08
The seller does have 999 positive feedback 0 negative (100%)... kinda strange
theysayjump
29-05-2006 16:06:52
I also contacted the high bidder. If you took 2 minutes to just read the auction you'd see you weren't getting the actual console but to actually put that auction up int he first place is a dick move.
As Psyc said, not everyone in this country is proficient in English or is even literate, that doesn't mean they deserve to be scammed by some fuck-tard who thinks it's clever to take advantage of those people.
I love how it's the buyers who deserve what they get for not reading, when it should be the seller getting what he deserves for taking such blatant advantage of people.
OldManWrigley
29-05-2006 16:26:33
[quote4bf7a7dd8f="theysayjump"]I also contacted the high bidder. If you took 2 minutes to just read the auction you'd see you weren't getting the actual console but to actually put that auction up int he first place is a dick move.
As Psyc said, not everyone in this country is proficient in English or is even literate, that doesn't mean they deserve to be scammed by some fuck-tard who thinks it's clever to take advantage of those people.
I love how it's the buyers who deserve what they get for not reading, when it should be the seller getting what he deserves for taking such blatant advantage of people.[/quote4bf7a7dd8f]
We're all so quick to jump (no pun intended) to the fact that the seller was trying to scam someone. Maybe he just had his box and manuals an wanted to get $15 for them. It's 100% clear that there's no system, in my opinion anyone that can actaully read should understand that. If you're not proficient in English, you shouldn't be living in the United States. Learn the native language or get out. You don't see a gazillion Americans in Mexico who everyone pitties because they can't understand some spanish words. But anyone that lives here, and uses eBay should understand the sentance "Box Only" means cardboard molded into a box shape, nothing else.....doesn't take a genius to figure that out roll
Take a second to realize I'm not being racist by this comment, and please keep your "remarks" to yourself, as I'm sure some of you think I'm out of place saying it......
looking back at the auction, I do agree that is not misleading. There is no xbox 360 description like some of these auctions have. I did not tip off the buyer but I agree with the poster who did. why let people get screwed? It is fun to watch at times but I guess I try to help even those who are too stupid to help themselves. saying fliu is a bit much though )
ps
at least we all should learn from this as well )
theysayjump
29-05-2006 16:36:51
[quotead21cf048c="OldManWrigley"]If you're not proficient in English, you shouldn't be living in the United States. Learn the native language or get out.[/quotead21cf048c]
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Land of the free? Whoever told you that was your enemy.
OldManWrigley
29-05-2006 16:39:07
[quoteb5e4fc7c4a="theysayjump"][quoteb5e4fc7c4a="OldManWrigley"]If you're not proficient in English, you shouldn't be living in the United States. Learn the native language or get out.[/quoteb5e4fc7c4a]
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Land of the free? Whoever told you that was your enemy.[/quoteb5e4fc7c4a]
I shouldn't have said that.....I mean if you're going to live here and complain about not knowing English....then you can leave....
tylerc
29-05-2006 16:42:25
What pisses me off is the fact that minorities expect us to cater to them.
Now everything has Spanish on it, along with English. I don't see Spain and/or Mexico putting English on everything.
If you're going to live here, you should be able to speak some of the language.
geej86
29-05-2006 16:55:26
i'm glad you 'sort of' corrected yourself there oldmanwrigley, cuz i was about to go off. Regards to the auction, someones buyin a box for 350 fair and square
[quote7e9e998195="OldManWrigley"]If you're not proficient in English, you shouldn't be living in the United States. Learn the native language or get out.[/quote7e9e998195]
roll roll
English, or any language, is NOT the official language of the United States.
PsychoAU
29-05-2006 17:57:52
[quotefb1222e2eb="Veek"]English, or any language, is NOT the official language of the United States.[/quotefb1222e2eb]
Except that it is. If people can use the argument that this country was founded on Christian principles (when it wasn't), then I can use the argument that it was founded with an English language.
When I look at the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, I don't see swahili.
The fact is that we are an English nation. You people are already trying to take away a woman's right to slaughter babies... what's next?
You don't see me going to Germany and complaining that everyone is speaking German.
The only flag that should be flown within our borders is an American one and the only language that should be spoken is English. If everyone wants to speak Spanish, they should go back to Mexico.
They can't come over with the idea that America is so much better than Mexico, then complain we aren't speaking Spanish... Bunch of whiny bastards.
German is the official language of Germany.
I stand by my statement. I'd much rather America be a diverse nation with different languages, than for everyone to speak English. I myself speak both, but then again, I'm learning to speak other languages, and I'm not demanding those to be brought up.
I have yet to find an immigrant who comes here complaining on why Americans don't speak Spanish.
I'm done with the topic, as it completely derailed the subject. Anyone else want to discuss it, PM me.
theysayjump
29-05-2006 18:06:02
[quote45234a84e2="PsychoAU"][quote45234a84e2="Veek"]English, or any language, is NOT the official language of the United States.[/quote45234a84e2]
Except that it is. If people can use the argument that this country was founded on Christian principles (when it wasn't), then I can use the argument that it was founded with an English language.
When I look at the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, I don't see swahili.
The fact is that we are an English nation. You people are already trying to take away a woman's right to slaughter babies... what's next?
You don't see me going to Germany and complaining that everyone is speaking German.
The only flag that should be flown within our borders is an American one and the only language that should be spoken is English. If everyone wants to speak Spanish, they should go back to Mexico.
They can't come over with the idea that America is so much better than Mexico, then complain we aren't speaking Spanish... Bunch of whiny bastards.[/quote45234a84e2]
Oh noes, sum1 floo a unmerikan flg burn teh witchs.
While I agree that women should have right to have an abortion, I'm not entirely sure you make a valid argument when your next statement is advocating the prohibition of flying non-American flags.
mnx12
29-05-2006 18:13:56
Wow, finally someone agrees with me that we speak English in America, not Spanish. However, abortion is another thing. It is murder, doesnt matter if its still in your vagina or not.
ilanbg
29-05-2006 18:29:12
We speak English because there are more English-speaking citizens than not. It is not the official language but it [ic18ee3e26f]is[/ic18ee3e26f] the dominant language.
However, when enough immigrants show up and English is no longer the dominant language, whoever speaks the dominant language will be telling others to learn it, and they'll have every right to.
It will probably be Spanish, as it's so easy for Mexicans to come over. There are already areas in Texas and California that are predominantly Spanish speaking. However, as border-control increases, I wouldn't be surprised if it became another language.
Enjoy the English-speaking dominance while it lasts, because it won't be the most dominant language forever.
EDIT In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if in three or four elections we have people campaigning in multiple languages.
PsychoAU
29-05-2006 18:41:04
[quote7ebb88a8e6="ilanbg"]We speak English because there are more [b7ebb88a8e6]White[/b7ebb88a8e6] citizens than not. It is not the official [b7ebb88a8e6]race[/b7ebb88a8e6] but it [i7ebb88a8e6]is[/i7ebb88a8e6] the dominant [b7ebb88a8e6]race[/b7ebb88a8e6].
However, when enough immigrants show up and [b7ebb88a8e6]White[/b7ebb88a8e6] is no longer the dominant [b7ebb88a8e6]race[/b7ebb88a8e6], whoever is the dominant [b7ebb88a8e6]race[/b7ebb88a8e6] will be telling others to [b7ebb88a8e6]leave[/b7ebb88a8e6], and they'll have every right to.
It will probably be [b7ebb88a8e6]Mexicans[/b7ebb88a8e6], as it's so easy for Mexicans to come over. There are already areas in Texas and California that are predominantly [b7ebb88a8e6]Mexican[/b7ebb88a8e6]. However, as border-control increases, I wouldn't be surprised if it became another [b7ebb88a8e6]race[/b7ebb88a8e6].
Enjoy the [b7ebb88a8e6]White[/b7ebb88a8e6] dominance while it lasts, because it won't be the most dominant [b7ebb88a8e6]race[/b7ebb88a8e6] forever.[/quote7ebb88a8e6]
There, I fixed it for you. And that is yet another reason I hate what this country is and is becoming.
And yes, killing babies is always a good thing. Even if they are still in the woman and you can't see their faces as the death takes grip.
ilanbg
29-05-2006 18:44:25
[quote8201a9d032="PsychoAU"][quote8201a9d032="ilanbg"]We speak English because there are more [b8201a9d032]White[/b8201a9d032] citizens than not. It is not the official [b8201a9d032]race[/b8201a9d032] but it [i8201a9d032]is[/i8201a9d032] the dominant [b8201a9d032]race[/b8201a9d032].
However, when enough immigrants show up and [b8201a9d032]White[/b8201a9d032] is no longer the dominant [b8201a9d032]race[/b8201a9d032], whoever is the dominant [b8201a9d032]race[/b8201a9d032] will be telling others to [b8201a9d032]leave[/b8201a9d032], and they'll have every right to.
It will probably be [b8201a9d032]Mexicans[/b8201a9d032], as it's so easy for Mexicans to come over. There are already areas in Texas and California that are predominantly [b8201a9d032]Mexican[/b8201a9d032]. However, as border-control increases, I wouldn't be surprised if it became another [b8201a9d032]race[/b8201a9d032].
Enjoy the [b8201a9d032]White[/b8201a9d032] dominance while it lasts, because it won't be the most dominant [b8201a9d032]race[/b8201a9d032] forever.[/quote8201a9d032]
There, I fixed it for you. And that is yet another reason I hate what this country is and is becoming.
And yes, killing babies is always a good thing. Even if they are still in the woman and you can't see their faces as the death takes grip.[/quote8201a9d032]
I like how you read my post and noticed that I totally didn't mention that at all.
Border control will make it more difficult for mexicans to enter our country illegally. We are fairly lax with giving citizenship, so assuming we don't run the country into the ground by starting a dozen more wars we can't afford, there will be plenty of immigrants from plenty of countries joining (yes, including Mexico. Get over it, you baby).
Tholek
29-05-2006 19:04:00
There's a surprising lack of pity in this thread.
bballp6699
29-05-2006 19:06:23
I heard there was a Spanish version Xbox 360 in that box...
OldManWrigley
29-05-2006 19:19:36
[quotea9b95c9eaf="Veek"][quotea9b95c9eaf="OldManWrigley"]If you're not proficient in English, you shouldn't be living in the United States. Learn the native language or get out.[/quotea9b95c9eaf]
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English, or any language, is NOT the official language of the United States.[/quotea9b95c9eaf]
if you read the whole thread, you'll see i corrected myself
nice try[/sizea9b95c9eaf]
I don't know where abortion came up, but I'm pro-choice, [ba9b95c9eaf]but i do not condone abortion.[/ba9b95c9eaf] I believe under certain circumstances (rape, disfigured child, etc...) that it should be legal so the mother can choose to get it aborted.
Just wanted to make sure you got it good.
[quotee9a50d4a0a="OldManWrigley"][quotee9a50d4a0a="Veek"][quotee9a50d4a0a="OldManWrigley"]If you're not proficient in English, you shouldn't be living in the United States. Learn the native language or get out.[/quotee9a50d4a0a]
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English, or any language, is NOT the official language of the United States.[/quotee9a50d4a0a]
if you read the whole thread, you'll see i corrected myself
nice try[/sizee9a50d4a0a][/quotee9a50d4a0a]
Actually, you're wrong.. English IS the Official Language of the United States. Congress just made this clear a few days ago.
ilanbg
29-05-2006 19:28:39
[quote0888584c18="bballp6699"]I heard there was a Spanish version Xbox 360 in that box...[/quote0888584c18]
Go back to Mexico you commie.
geej86
29-05-2006 19:28:40
America is the fucking melting pot people, this diversity defines America. PsychoAU, are immigrants from Mexico complaining that we don't speak spanish? I'm not quite sure I understand your position on abortion as well, without getting in to that subject could you just clarify.
theysayjump
29-05-2006 19:28:41
[quoted8da8a911b="OldManWrigley"][quoted8da8a911b="Veek"][quoted8da8a911b="OldManWrigley"]If you're not proficient in English, you shouldn't be living in the United States. Learn the native language or get out.[/quoted8da8a911b]
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English, or any language, is NOT the official language of the United States.[/quoted8da8a911b]
if you read the whole thread, you'll see i corrected myself
nice try[/sized8da8a911b]
I don't know where abortion came up, but I'm pro-choice, [bd8da8a911b]but i do not condone abortion.[/bd8da8a911b] I believe under certain circumstances (rape, disfigured child, etc...) that it should be legal so the mother can choose to get it aborted.[/quoted8da8a911b]
Easy Tiger!
I think waiting to see if the baby is disfigured or not is leaving it a little late to decide where it should be put down or not, don't you think?
bballp6699
29-05-2006 19:28:44
[quoteb822609c02="wiki"]On May 18, 2006 the Senate voted on an amendment to an immigration reform bill that would declare English the national language of the United States.[1] The immigration reform bill itself, S. 2611, has yet to be voted on in the Senate, and the bill would have to go back to the House of Representatives in conference to make sure amendments are agreed upon.[/quoteb822609c02]
tylerc
29-05-2006 19:30:13
o-o-o-o-o-o-wned
The English language shall be the official language of the United States. As the official language, the English language shall be used for all public acts including every order, resolution, vote, or election, and for all records and judicial proceedings of the Government of the United States and the governments of the several States.
The Government of the United States shall preserve and enhance the role of English as the official language of the United States of America. Unless specifically stated in applicable law, no person has a right, entitlement, or claim to have the Government of the United States or any of its officials or representatives act, communicate, perform or provide services, or provide materials in any language other than English. If exceptions are made, that does not create a legal entitlement to additional services in that language or any language other than English.
ilanbg
29-05-2006 19:32:34
If English becomes the national language of the U.S. then I will gladly change my stance. As it remains, I stand by my statements.
OldManWrigley
29-05-2006 19:34:58
[quote0c20788879="bballp6699"][quote0c20788879="wiki"]On May 18, 2006 the Senate voted on an amendment to an immigration reform bill that would declare English the national language of the United States.[1] The immigration reform bill itself, S. 2611, has yet to be voted on in the Senate, and the bill would have to go back to the House of Representatives in conference to make sure amendments are agreed upon.[/quote0c20788879][/quote0c20788879]
+KMA
tylerc
29-05-2006 19:35:19
I wouldn't say it's a matter of if so much as when.
[quote47e6bfaf0c="tylerc"]I wouldn't say it's a matter of if so much as when.[/quote47e6bfaf0c]
Very very soon.
tjwor
29-05-2006 19:58:19
back to the xbox thing...
The seller will be banned from ebay soon (maybe not since he has 1K positive, they may give him a warning) whether the title itself and the description are misleading or not, ebay knows the intention of the seller and they will be punished...
My friend was banned for the same thing, nothing at all misleading, but they ban you because they understand what the goal was...
PsychoAU
29-05-2006 20:36:23
[quote49cbbaab1a="geej86"]America is the fucking melting pot people, this diversity defines America. PsychoAU, are immigrants from Mexico complaining that we don't speak spanish? I'm not quite sure I understand your position on abortion as well, without getting in to that subject could you just clarify.[/quote49cbbaab1a]
America is the only nation in the world that is considered a melting pot. We do not have a national identity of our own. We are just a mix of all the bastardized cultures of other nations. That is the fundamental problem. I don't consider myself a European-American. I don't fly the flag of the country my ancestors came from. I am American. Why is there no American culture?
Regarding abortion, I say we should be able to kill them at any stage. Preferrably just after birth with the use of a plastic bag and a hammer. But that's just me...
geej86
29-05-2006 20:56:38
gotta say I don't see any fundamental problem here.
wtf on that abortion statement though. i know you are not serious but why do you have to be so sarcastic as to be above just saying i'm pro-life; yea...i'm sure alot of pro-choicers would advocate that
PsychoAU
29-05-2006 21:00:04
[quote016a98eca9="geej86"]i know you are not serious but why do you have to be so sarcastic as to be above just saying i'm pro-life; yea...i'm sure alot of pro-choicers would advocate that[/quote016a98eca9]
Dude, I'm not pro-life. And no sarcasm there. I think we should be able to kill the babies.
tylerc
29-05-2006 21:02:34
[quote3ec5d92435="PsychoAU"][quote3ec5d92435="geej86"]i know you are not serious but why do you have to be so sarcastic as to be above just saying i'm pro-life; yea...i'm sure alot of pro-choicers would advocate that[/quote3ec5d92435]
Dude, I'm not pro-life. And no sarcasm there. I think we should be able to kill the babies.[/quote3ec5d92435]
?
[quote77d3fd6966="tylerc"][quote77d3fd6966="PsychoAU"][quote77d3fd6966="geej86"]i know you are not serious but why do you have to be so sarcastic as to be above just saying i'm pro-life; yea...i'm sure alot of pro-choicers would advocate that[/quote77d3fd6966]
Dude, I'm not pro-life. And no sarcasm there. I think we should be able to kill the babies.[/quote77d3fd6966]
?[/quote77d3fd6966]
IAWTC
theysayjump
29-05-2006 21:55:45
That's the kind of reaction he's trying to get.
I give him roll
The bill was passed in the Senate, but it has yet to be discussed by the House, and signed. There is STILL no official language of the U.S.
Man, some people. roll
KameksCurse
30-05-2006 10:10:53
[quote4c4aa40cdb="theysayjump"][quote4c4aa40cdb="OldManWrigley"] I don't know where abortion came up, but I'm pro-choice, [b4c4aa40cdb]but i do not condone abortion.[/b4c4aa40cdb] I believe under certain circumstances (rape, disfigured child, etc...) that it should be legal so the mother can choose to get it aborted.[/quote4c4aa40cdb]
Easy Tiger!
I think waiting to see if the baby is disfigured or not is leaving it a little late to decide where it should be put down or not, don't you think?[/quote4c4aa40cdb]
Actually, with a level 2 ultrasound, we can see many deformities rather clearly. Even a level 1 ultrasound picks up most deformities. However, most practitioners will not recommend termination to prospective parents unless the deformities are clearly incompatible with life (i.e. anencephaly - no brain). Otherwise, they will give the prognosis (i.e in trisomy 13 would tell parents the usual life span is less than 1 month) and let the parents make their own decisions.
So... when did this turn into the debate thread? I believe we were talking about an auction.
I don't see why all of you whine, moan, and complain about Mexicans not being able to learn the language. It's not our fault some people a long time ago decided to make up words and grammar rules that no one has ever seen before. English is the "hardest" language to learn. I mean, I've never heard the "th" sound in any other language before. I speak spanish and some french. How do you think someone that's spoken another language their entire life will be able to automatically learn how to make sounds their mouths have never made before?
People that were born here can't even speak "the language" properly. So what makes one think an immigrant can learn it all of a sudden because someone is forcing them to because it's the "official" language?
That's why I think people that complain need to look at the other side of it and see how it feels.
I was born in Bronx, NY. I'd go to school and the teachers spoke spanish, I'd go to the grocery store spanish. When I moved to NC and walked into a 2nd grade classroom, I had no idea what was going on. My mom and I would stay up late each night poring over an English-Spanish dictionary looking up each word we didn't understand on a worksheet I had gotten that day for homework. Then I'd get to school the next day half asleep and find out that all I had to do was match the word with the pictures.
Here's another example. A guy that can't speak english that well gets t-boned at an intersection by someone else. The cops arrive and the guy does everything in his will to explain to the officer what happens. The other party totally denies all charges and tells the cop it's the other guys fault. The other guy, not being able to defend himself, gets taken advantage of and now has to pay for damage that he didn't cause.
Yes it's possible to learn the language, but it's not as easy as most of you think.
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tylerc
30-05-2006 14:30:55
Exactly why there should be a proficiency test in English to be allowed citizenship...
bballp6699
30-05-2006 14:45:58
As long as they can learn English enough to pay some fucking taxes, I don't care.
[quote58a755219f="tylerc"]Exactly why there should be a proficiency test in English to be allowed citizenship...[/quote58a755219f]
considering the literacy rate in the US...many people born here wouldnt pass
[quotee538342d9d="jy3"][quotee538342d9d="tylerc"]Exactly why there should be a proficiency test in English to be allowed citizenship...[/quotee538342d9d]
considering the literacy rate in the US...many people born here wouldnt pass[/quotee538342d9d]
People born here don't need to take a citizenship test...
UberVash
30-05-2006 15:01:05
Topic title isn't misleading. He says in the title the box...
Anyways, I know a family who has been in this country for 5 generations and one of them knows the language. I go to Mexico, I need to learn Spanish. You go to America, you need to learn English...
I go to France, I'll learn French. Etc.
At least make an attempt at the language, ya know?
tylerc
30-05-2006 15:07:34
Ubervash-exactly. I'm not saying they need to be fluent in English, but they should be able to function in everyday life. Ordering food, if you get an accident, etc.
Yes. I agree that all immigrants, not just Mexicans, should learn basic English if they want to be permanent residents or citizens of the U.S. I, however, have never met anyone who is upset at Americans not speaking Spanish. That's just rediculous.
I myself am proud that I know more than one language, and I admire people here who'se first language is English but still want to learn another whether it be Spanish, French, German, Russian, etc.
PsychoAU
30-05-2006 15:17:53
It doesn't matter that English is or isn't difficult. Most of them don't even attempt to learn it. And with all these concessions that this society is making, they won't need to learn it. I was just reading about a Canadian who became fluent in Mandarin Chinese then moved to China and is very prominent there. The asian languages have got to be the hardest to learn, considering they use characters instead of letters and the written language is different from the spoken one.
So don't start that crap about how hard English is to learn. If someone has the determination to sneak into this country, they should have the determination to learn a language. Enough with the free ride these people get. Quit having babies, pay your taxes, and learn the language. That should be on the Statue of Liberty.
It seems your arguement is based more on how much you dislike immigrants.
[quoteb14cde1332="tylerc"]Exactly why there should be a proficiency test in English to be allowed citizenship...[/quoteb14cde1332]
Uhh, it is. I sat in the room while my mom was being interviewed. She read out a few paragraphs about George Washington. She had to write a paragraph too.
PsychoAU
30-05-2006 15:38:47
[quote34c4da9760="Veek"]It seems your arguement is based more on how much you dislike immigrants.[/quote34c4da9760]
I dislike rats in my house too, so it would seem if I argued that we should get rid of rats, it would be based on how much I dislike rats.
Yet when people are involved, it gets all political. Chalk another one up to the Bible.
ilanbg
30-05-2006 15:58:24
It has nothing to do with the Bible.
If you go to certain areas in America in which they speak something other than English, expect to learn that language as well. The country is built so it can evolve and revolve around its citizens, not so its citizens can revolve around it.
I'm not an immigrant but I would be glad to have the opportunity to speak more than just English on a day-to-day basis. I'm working on my third language and if my town suddenly began speaking French or Spanish, I'd adapt and wouldn't whine like a little bitch.
KameksCurse
30-05-2006 21:57:20
There are a number of native-borne Americans who cannot speak English well because their parents did not speak it at home.
My ex-husband was born in California and his father was born in Texas. He is a US citizen, not an immigrant. However, Spanish was the only language spoken in his home. He grew up in a very small town (pop 3000) where everyone spoke Spanish (stores, churches, et cetera), so he did not begin to learn English until he was 6 or 7. He was very determined and now speaks English fairly fluently. However, even as an adult, there were times when he would use a Spanish word because he just couldn't find an English one to say what he wanted.
He has never not wanted to learn English. Every relative of his that I met (and he has many) did his or her best to learn English, although some were more successful than others.
I think that most immigrants want to speak English. I think it is a minority that do not try to learn. I think the minority who don't learn English are much more noticable than the majority that do learn and integrate well into society. It is wrong to judge all immigrants based upon this minority. Maybe you should remember that most Americans have immigrant ancestors.
Tholek
30-05-2006 22:06:17
I really don't want to get caught up in this runaway thread, but I do want to point out that there are many third or fourth generation US born people with heavy accents from their native countries. More often than not, they are of orthodox faiths and fundamentalist sects who are seperatists.
Sometimes there [bb002263ad5]is[/bb002263ad5] an effort not to assimilate.
PsychoAU
30-05-2006 22:06:58
Unless you are a native american indian, then everyone has immigrant ancestors. But the thing is is that those people don't affect me or who I am. They had no impact on how I was raised or who I identify with. I was born here and raised here and call this my home. Where some dead people used to live is beside the point. Stop living in the past.
I am an American, not a European-American, not an African-American, not a Cuban-American, or a Mexican-American. I am American. Since when is that not good enough for people to be?
EatChex89
30-05-2006 22:13:12
there's no pictures of the system, so the auction is legit.
Ryizan
30-05-2006 22:20:01
Ok...back to topic
I don't see why this ebayer should get banned? Have you ever heard that when you sell stuff you can always get more money if you have the original box+manuals. I have seen people selling empty Mac Mini boxes (not trying to scam,,the BIN was like $20).
Put into a made up case
A kid gets an Xb360 for christmas.....throws away all the boxes and manuals in excitment. Has it for 2 months and the PS3 comes out. He now wants a PS3...parents wont dump $599 on a game system. He sees that he is only getting $355 for his XB360 and this is not enough. His prents complain why did you throw all that stuff away blablala....he spends $15 and getts a new box+manuals and sells his system for $410 with one game.....hurray!
No that was not me.....my parents won't even let me spend $400 for a game sytem....so I went and bough a slim ps2...I like it. D
tylerc
31-05-2006 04:02:16
[quoteef4c36f636="Psyc"][quoteef4c36f636="tylerc"]Exactly why there should be a proficiency test in English to be allowed citizenship...[/quoteef4c36f636]
Uhh, it is. I sat in the room while my mom was being interviewed. She read out a few paragraphs about George Washington. She had to write a paragraph too.[/quoteef4c36f636]
That's hardly a proficiency test.
CollidgeGraduit
31-05-2006 04:16:00
[quote4c21d7336b="tylerc"][quote4c21d7336b="Psyc"][quote4c21d7336b="tylerc"]Exactly why there should be a proficiency test in English to be allowed citizenship...[/quote4c21d7336b]
Uhh, it is. I sat in the room while my mom was being interviewed. She read out a few paragraphs about George Washington. She had to write a paragraph too.[/quote4c21d7336b]
That's hardly a proficiency test.[/quote4c21d7336b]
Unfortunately, it's more than most American teenagers can do these days. Listening to some of them talk, I don't think they could formulate a paragraph (
[quote36ca53701c="CollidgeGraduit"][quote36ca53701c="tylerc"][quote36ca53701c="Psyc"][quote36ca53701c="tylerc"]Exactly why there should be a proficiency test in English to be allowed citizenship...[/quote36ca53701c]
Uhh, it is. I sat in the room while my mom was being interviewed. She read out a few paragraphs about George Washington. She had to write a paragraph too.[/quote36ca53701c]
That's hardly a proficiency test.[/quote36ca53701c]
Unfortunately, it's more than most American teenagers can do these days. Listening to some of them talk, I don't think they could formulate a paragraph ([/quote36ca53701c]
I agree, I was asked by a guy that had flunked I don't know how many times how to spell "shoe" in 8th grade. ?
[quote01767290e3="CollidgeGraduit"][quote01767290e3="tylerc"][quote01767290e3="Psyc"][quote01767290e3="tylerc"]Exactly why there should be a proficiency test in English to be allowed citizenship...[/quote01767290e3]
Uhh, it is. I sat in the room while my mom was being interviewed. She read out a few paragraphs about George Washington. She had to write a paragraph too.[/quote01767290e3]
That's hardly a proficiency test.[/quote01767290e3]
Unfortunately, it's more than most American teenagers can do these days. Listening to some of them talk, I don't think they could formulate a paragraph ([/quote01767290e3]
We have some fine examples of these kids right in this forum.
EatChex89
31-05-2006 13:25:14
i think it's easier to have a national language, that way everyone can just learn one language and everyone can talk to each other.
tylerc
31-05-2006 13:53:45
This is true, I found someone's essay on a computer at school (the kid is a total fuck up and got held back in kindergarten) and read it.
Wow, it was awful. I don't remember exactly what it said, if I can find it again, I'll post it.
Wolfeman
31-05-2006 14:06:25
I havne't read anything in this thread but I HATE when people do this bullshit on eBay. If he was an honest person he'd put in the description BOX ONLY and make it obvious. PayPal will give the buyer their money back b/c PayPal hates sellers...
The buyer could always ask for a refund. I didn't see anything about no refunds in the auction description.
Wolfeman
31-05-2006 16:08:11
It doesn't matter if "no refunds" is in the auction because PayPal will still go against the seller...
theysayjump
31-05-2006 16:58:32
All foreigners should be fucking burned.
tylerc
31-05-2006 17:05:36
ya rly
bballp6699
31-05-2006 17:24:53
[quotea9e68ef182="theysayjump"]All foreigners should be fucking burned.[/quotea9e68ef182]
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